Andy Martin says McGreevey scandal was Israeli intel op

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2004-08-17 02:33am

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Contact: Andy Martin Worldwide Communications, 866-706-2639

NEW YORK, Aug. 16 /U.S. Newswire/ -- America's most respected foreign policy/intelligence analyst, Out2.com's Andy Martin, will publish a column and hold a news conference in New York today (Aug. 16) to disclose that the New Jersey sex scandal involving Gov. James McGreevey was really an Israeli intelligence operation gone sour.

NEWS CONFERENCE DETAILS:

Time/date: today (Aug. 16) at 1 p.m. EDT

Location: Southwest Corner of Fifth Avenue and 57th Street, New York City

"People have been confused by the McGreevey sex scandal," says Martin. "But McGreevey's dilemma is not a gay sex scandal. It is an Israeli intelligence operation gone sour. This is not a scandal about 'sex.' It is a scandal about 'secrets.'

"McGreevey said he had sex. He did. Golan Cipel says he is not gay. He's not. They are both right. Mr. Cipel was a junior Mossad case officer, originally posted to New York under official cover. The Mossad is well known for using human sex toys. McGreevey was lured into a relationship that was intended to penetrate New Jersey's homeland defenses.

"Since 9/11 there has been barely suppressed anger at the fact Israeli intelligence knew about the hijackers and said nothing. Israelis have found themselves under suspicion and restricted by some intelligence channels. The state homeland security position was seen as a back door way of spying on anti-terror preparations in the New York-New Jersey area, and possibly nationally.

"The media have focused on the wrong blackmail scheme. This was not a sexual blackmail situation, although threats and demands have been made. 'Gay sex' is being used to conceal the real nature of the betrayal. This was a blackmail scheme intended to place Golan Cipel in a position of intense interest to Israeli intelligence.

"I am asking the U.S. Attorney for New Jersey to refocus his investigation into a breach-of-security investigation instead of a sex scandal.

"Based on my extensive experience with foreign intelligence agencies, I think you will see Mr. Cipel, who is now exposed by his non-official cover, on a plane back to Israel very soon.

"Gov. McGreevey was a 'fool for love,' but the root cause of his weakness was his mistaken belief that Cipel was a lover, when he was in fact Cipel was a trained intelligence asset trying to exploit McGreevey's weakness to benefit Israeli security interests," says Martin. ------------------------------------------------------------

America's Daily Briefing is an investigative opinion column syndicated nationally by Out2.com, where Andy Martin serves as independent chief national and foreign correspondent. Martin has been Baghdad Bureau Chief for Out2.com since April 2003. His specialty is investigative analysis in the Middle East where he harvests information from numerous official and unofficial sources and breaks stories with intelligence overtones on a regular basis.

RESOURCES: Martin's columns at Out2.com (Govt & Politics); E-MAIL reactions/opinions: andy@andymartin.com

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-08-17 02:37am

Yes, of course, since someone's jewish, that means they're automatically a Mossad operative wiring shit back to Tel Aviv!

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2004-08-17 02:58am

MKSheppard wrote:Yes, of course, since someone's jewish, that means they're automatically a Mossad operative wiring shit back to Tel Aviv!

Would you like some fries with that race baiting?

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2004-08-17 03:05am

I've got this funny feeling that Andy Martin is full of shit.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-08-17 08:21am

McGreevey was lured into a relationship that was intended to penetrate New Jersey's homeland defenses.

Yes, it seems McGreevy was just a pawn in the great plans of the great Israeli Empire.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2004-08-17 08:56am

McGreevey was lured into a relationship that was intended to penetrate New Jersey's homeland defenses.

*snicker*

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2004-08-17 10:13am

I'll wait to see what evidence there is, if any. It wouldn't suprise me, if true.

J · Post by J » 2004-08-17 12:19pm

Yay, the great Jewish/Israeli conspiracy, what else is new?

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2004-08-17 12:26pm

jmac wrote:Yay, the great Jewish/Israeli conspiracy, what else is new?

Don't be stupid, the Israeli's engage in espionage all the time- as most nations do.

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-08-17 12:34pm

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:Don't be stupid, the Israeli's engage in espionage all the time- as most nations do.

Yes, they do, and yes, they have spied on the US in the past: But every time a Jewish individual is involved in some kind of scandal or suspicious incident, someone will always come up with a conspiracy theory that he was actually a Mossad agent...

J · Post by J » 2004-08-17 12:37pm

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:Don't be stupid, the Israeli's engage in espionage all the time- as most nations do.

Yes, and Natalie Portman is actually a Mossad agent who was sent to Hollywood so she could infiltrate Lucasfilm and steal their state of the art movie technology. Oops, I just blew her cover.

Spice Runner · Post by **Spice Runner** » 2004-08-17 12:38pm

Is there any evidence to back this up? Otherwise this is just a crackpot theory.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-08-17 01:30pm

Funny how "America's most respected foreign policy/intelligence analyst, Out2.com's Andy Martin" is working for a very low profile online newspaper rather than a think tank or one of the big papers.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-08-17 02:46pm

Anybody care to explain why the Mossad would give a rat's ass about an American machine politics hack governor? A machine politics hack governor of New Jersey, for Christ's sake. Are they worried the pineys are going to join Hamas?

muse · Post by **muse** » 2004-08-17 06:38pm

jmac wrote:
BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:Don't be stupid, the Israeli's engage in espionage all the time- as most nations do.
Yes, and Natalie Portman is actually a Mossad agent who was sent to Hollywood so she could infiltrate Lucasfilm and steal their state of the art movie technology. Oops, I just blew her cover.

Not exactly, while she is indeed a Mossad agent her objective was to steal research secrets from Harvard University by romancing the faculty members.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-08-17 08:23pm

Joe wrote:Funny how "America's most respected foreign policy/intelligence analyst, Out2.com's Andy Martin" is working for a very low profile online newspaper rather than a think tank or one of the big papers.

I would think America's most respected foreign policy/intelligence analyst would be working for the government. But, that's just me.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-08-17 09:37pm

I don't know what puzzles me more, that people can believe this anti-semitic crap, that people need to spread, or that Hamel thinks it's worth a rat's ass at all.

Post by **Cairber** » 2004-08-17 09:43pm

RedImperator wrote:Anybody care to explain why the Mossad would give a rat's ass about an American machine politics hack governor? A machine politics hack governor of New Jersey, for Christ's sake. Are they worried the pineys are going to join Hamas?

But Matt, its NJ!! c'mon, the bestest state in the union!

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2004-08-17 10:05pm

Stormbringer wrote:I don't know what puzzles me more, that people can believe this anti-semitic crap, that people need to spread, or that Hamel thinks it's worth a rat's ass at all.

It isn't worth much until he decides to back it up.

What surprises me is the accusation of anti-semitism when this is a claim leveled against Israel, not a race of people.

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-08-17 11:11pm

Hamel wrote:What surprises me is the accusation of anti-semitism when this is a claim leveled against Israel, not a race of people.

Martin decided that just because Mr. Cipel was Jewish and was indirectly responsible for McGreevy's resignation, he had to be a Mossad agent. Now, if Cipel had been say, Chinese, do you you think Martin would be leveling the same accusation at the PRC that he did to Israel?

Alot of the anti-semetism in the Western world today happens because some people don't make any distinction between Jews and Israel, and thus hold Jewish citizens of other countries responsible for Israel's actions, or automatically assume they have some secret overriding loyalty to Israel. I think it's safe to say that Andy Martin is one of these narrow-minded people.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-08-17 11:13pm

Look, I think this Mossad accusation is silly, but it bears reminding that Cipel is an Israeli citizen (or former Israeli citizen who emigrated--I can't recall which). So it's not just a matter of "He's Jewish, so he works for the Mossad."

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-08-17 11:16pm

Hamel wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:I don't know what puzzles me more, that people can believe this anti-semitic crap, that people need to spread, or that Hamel thinks it's worth a rat's ass at all.
It isn't worth much until he decides to back it up.

Which begs the question of why you're dragging up this tin foil hat crap (or rather white hood crap) in the first place. It's not something remotely credible.

Hamel wrote:What surprises me is the accusation of anti-semitism when this is a claim leveled against Israel, not a race of people.

Because it's nothing more than an more sophisticated version of the evil jews crap. Israel is a Jewish state and simply subsitituting Israel for Jew does change the basic intent.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2004-08-17 11:28pm

Ma Deuce wrote:
Hamel wrote:What surprises me is the accusation of anti-semitism when this is a claim leveled against Israel, not a race of people.
Martin decided that just because Mr. Cipel was Jewish and was indirectly responsible for McGreevy's resignation, he had to be a Mossad agent.

It goes deeper than that. Cipel wasn't some nobody. He was the press secretary for the Israeli consulate general in New York City, and an Israeli naval officer. This alone doesn't prove much, but does make things interesting.

Alot of the anti-semetism in the Western world today happens because some people don't make any distinction between Jews and Israel, and thus hold Jewish citizens of other countries responsible for Israel's actions, or automatically assume they have some secret overriding loyalty to Israel. I think it's safe to say that Andy Martin is one of these narrow-minded people.

Whatever. This isn't much beyond "omgz he hates j00z". This guy really didn't say that much, but don't strawman what little he did say.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2004-08-17 11:32pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Hamel wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:I don't know what puzzles me more, that people can believe this anti-semitic crap, that people need to spread, or that Hamel thinks it's worth a rat's ass at all.
It isn't worth much until he decides to back it up.
Which begs the question of why you're dragging up this tin foil hat crap (or rather white hood crap) in the first place. It's not something remotely credible.

I thought it was interesting and something might come of it.

Hamel wrote:What surprises me is the accusation of anti-semitism when this is a claim leveled against Israel, not a race of people.
Because it's nothing more than an more sophisticated version of the evil jews crap. Israel is a Jewish state and simply subsitituting Israel for Jew does change the basic intent.

IMO this is just knee-jerking. The article doesn't even mention him being a Jew.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-08-17 11:38pm

Hamel wrote:I thought it was interesting and something might come of it.

Not really, it sounds like your typical bat shit crap.

Hamel wrote:IMO this is just knee-jerking. The article doesn't even mention him being a Jew.

It's not really a case of knee jerking; it's a paranoid screed with no evidence at all. And whatever you think, the article is definitely intended to invoke the evil Jew stereotype and the fact that they used Israel in place of Jew doesn't much change that.

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