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From today's paper, interviews with people who went to the Bush Rally. :banghead:
Charleston Gazette wrote:August 18, 2004
Supporters at Hedgesville rally cite Bush’s faith

HEDGESVILLE — Forget the war. Forget the economy. For many George Bush supporters, the presidency is about something more fundamental — faith.

It’s about their faith in him, and his faith in God.

Cindy Wilson, of Keyser, takes comfort in the knowledge that Bush is a Christian, she said, because if he is uncertain of a decision, God will make it for him.

“I believe the Bible is our guidebook, our user manual for life,” said Wilson, who joined a crowd of at least 7,500 at Hedgesville High School for a Bush campaign rally Tuesday night.

“When man depends on man, we’re limited,” she said. “But God is limitless and will help him make the right choices.”

Bush drew his loudest applause when talking about social issues that resonate with conservatives including marriage and family. And he said what they wanted to hear when he declared that trying times demand “a strong and abiding faith.”

Sandra Kinnanan, of Charles Town, is unapologetic about her faith and the president.

“He opposes partial-birth abortion and stem-cell research, and he believes in keeping God front and center,” she said. “He stands for the values of myself, my husband and my family.”

Democratic challenger John Kerry may be a religious man, too, she said, “but on those issues he’s on the wrong side.”

Kinnanan said she cares about other issues including the economy, “but to me, if you have faith and the core of being God-centered, everything else will go with that. You’ll have the right perspective in addressing jobs and other issues.”

For others in the crowd, the relevance of faith was more difficult to express, but just as important.

“I just love him, he’s a good man,” said Andrea Allen, of Hedgesville. “He has good morals.”

Janet Lyons, of Martinsburg, believes Bush’s faith helps him withstand critics on the war in Iraq and other controversial policies.

“I like the fact that he isn’t afraid to do what he thinks is right,” she said.

However, Bush fans have other reasons for their support. For many, the past four years have been prosperous, and they give him partial credit.

“I’m better off than I was,” said Patricia Koch, of Berkeley Springs. “My house is paid for, my husband has a good job, my children have good jobs.”

Bush won West Virginia’s three easternmost counties by nearly 7,000 votes in 2000, and demographics are making the region increasingly Republican.

Berkeley, Jefferson and Morgan counties have historically low unemployment, with rates as low as 3.3 percent in June. That’s well below the state average of 5.4 percent for the same month.

But the region’s unemployment rate has risen since Bush took office in 2001, Kerry campaign economic adviser Gene Sperling said. He cited figures from the final summer of President Clinton’s second term, which ranged from 2.6 percent for Jefferson County to 2.9 percent for Morgan County.

Koch is unconvinced.

“There’s plenty of jobs out there,” she said. “People just don’t want to work.”

Bush paused several times during his speech as the crowd of several thousand chanted, “Four More Years, Four More Years,” to drown out a single demonstrator every time he shouted comments about the Iraq war and the failure to find weapons of mass destruction there.

Sportsmen for Bush displayed blaze-orange signs, while Veterans for Bush held blue ones, and hundreds of others waved red, white and blue pompons and flags.

“It’s just exciting to get a chance to see the president,” said Kevin Taylor, of Martinsburg.

“I haven’t seen or heard anything about Kerry that’s made me want to vote for him,” he said. “Everything Bush has done hasn’t been the best, but he’s done a good job overall.”

Even 9-year-old Jonathan Frisby, who came from Mechanicsburg, Pa., with his grandmother, had an opinion.

“Kerry is going to raise taxes, and Bush will get us into wars we don’t belong in,” he said. “I’d vote for Bush, because I’d rather be in a war than spend a lot of money.”

Tuesday’s visit was Bush’s sixth to this battleground state. His last was an unannounced stop outside Wheeling July 31, when he toured the Cabela’s hunting and fishing emporium.

Kerry has visited West Virginia five times this year. His last stop was the same day and in the same city, at a rally along the Ohio River.
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Charleston Gazette wrote: “Kerry is going to raise taxes, and Bush will get us into wars we don’t belong in,” he said. “I’d vote for Bush, because I’d rather be in a war than spend a lot of money.”
That was my favorite line. I'd make productive comments but I really think it speaks for itself.

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"Kinnanan said she cares about other issues including the economy, “but to me, if you have faith and the core of being God-centered, everything else will go with that. You’ll have the right perspective in addressing jobs and other issues."

Ah, yes. The immortal question.

How will I find work?

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How nice, "I'd rather murder people than having to pay for stuff".
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Slartibartfast wrote:How nice, "I'd rather murder people than having to pay for stuff".
He's 9. Probably thinks that war is fun.
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Well, if what I heard on the radio this morning is accurate, WV does have at least one valid reason to go Bush, his energy policy and escapades in Iraq have raised demand for coal by quite a bit.

And why the hell do reporters think its funny to interview children about political issues? Not that they're any less informed than most of the morons who can vote, but still.
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“I haven’t seen or heard anything about Kerry that’s made me want to vote for him,” he said. “Everything Bush has done hasn’t been the best, but he’s done a good job overall.”
At least there are some people in WV who think rationally. Though the bold part I don't agree with.
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What the hell do you expect out of a bunch of over religious hicks? I mean that's about all Bush has got for selling points and it's only natural like minded individuals are going to back him up. Bush is playing the religion card for all it's worth and it's precisely to people like your fellow West Virginias that he's doing it.





And Tevar, as for complaining about Nitram finding a job, maybe having him drop the Brit in Exile bit.
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Stormbringer wrote: And Tevar, as for complaining about Nitram finding a job, maybe having him drop the Brit in Exile bit.
It's not that... I think it's a combination of his dyslexia affecting his writing and the fact that he is a dark-haired foreigner.
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Not everyone who votes for Bush is a raving fundie, but most of the raving fundies vote for Bush.
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LadyTevar wrote:
Stormbringer wrote: And Tevar, as for complaining about Nitram finding a job, maybe having him drop the Brit in Exile bit.
It's not that... I think it's a combination of his dyslexia affecting his writing and the fact that he is a dark-haired foreigner.
Yeah, dylexsia and being foreign citizen is going to kill pretty much any one's potential job, no matter the hair color. My school's got a program with a couple Canadian colleges for architecture and engineering and they can't get into the co-op or jobs programs. It's just not worth the hassle these days to hire foreign citizens, there's a lot of legal complications regardless of their status here.

The dyslexia is only going to make things even tougher. Sucks but it's not really an issue that's going to change unless we really, really hit boom times.
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“When man depends on man, we’re limited,” she said. “But God is limitless and will help him make the right choices.”
jesus this is just so fucking stupid. It annoys me when these fundies pull out God as if he is the answer to all our ills. I don't think God had anything to do with ending WWII unless you think God wanted to murder tens of thousands of Japanese in nuclear fire. (Who am I kidding?)

God had nothing to do with putting a man on the moon, curing Polio, indoor plumbing, modern medicine, computer science, economics, etc. That's all in man's corner.

The last time God took an active role in the development of man his church threatened to burn a man at the stake for saying the Earth revolved around the sun.

Sounds to me like man is LIMITED by God. Not the other way around.
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LadyTevar wrote:“I believe the Bible is our guidebook, our user manual for life,” said Wilson, who joined a crowd of at least 7,500 at Hedgesville High School for a Bush campaign rally Tuesday night.
Then I suppose you'll be selling all your possessions, giving the money to the poor, and becoming a pilgrim with nothing but your clothes and your faith. I hate these assholes who pretend that they're walking with God just because they say they love him. Jesus wants you to be a communist bum and to associate with the worst elements of society, and he fucking said so in print.
“When man depends on man, we’re limited,” she said. “But God is limitless and will help him make the right choices.”
This statement makes me so angry that I can barely think of a response. I want these people to come up with a single proveable circumstance in which the intervention of God exceeded the capacity of man. Shit--give me a single proveable circumstance in which God intervened at all!
Kinnanan said she cares about other issues including the economy, “but to me, if you have faith and the core of being God-centered, everything else will go with that. You’ll have the right perspective in addressing jobs and other issues.”
This is utterly moronic. If faith gave you the "right perspective" in addressing important matters of state, and assuming that Bush's faith is the correct one, wouldn't everything be fine and dandy?
“I like the fact that he isn’t afraid to do what he thinks is right,” she said.
The fact that "what he thinks is right" has been so obviously wrong evidently escapes these morons. In the game of nations there is no partial credit for making the effort, especially in monumental fuckups like those that Bush has been tossing out.
“There’s plenty of jobs out there,” she said. “People just don’t want to work.”
Actually, this is true. There are plenty of dead-end jobs that pay far less than the cost of living, offer no benefits, and insult the qualifications of every American with a high-school diploma. These jobs go begging even in places with 25% unemployment and workers must be imported from Mexico to fill them.
Even 9-year-old Jonathan Frisby, who came from Mechanicsburg, Pa., with his grandmother, had an opinion.

“Kerry is going to raise taxes, and Bush will get us into wars we don’t belong in,” he said. “I’d vote for Bush, because I’d rather be in a war than spend a lot of money.”
That's a really dumb statement, but he's only a kid. There is still hope for this child, thanks to the public education system--which Bush is now fucking over and wants to dismantle. Hmm...
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Stormbringer wrote:What the hell do you expect out of a bunch of over religious hicks? I mean that's about all Bush has got for selling points and it's only natural like minded individuals are going to back him up.
Not true. Bush's selling point has become, "Who's the Democrat running again?"
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Let's be mathematical about this:

Faith>>>>>>>>>>> all issues.
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Guy with faith>>>>>>>> all others.

Now, "faith" means "faith in God". correct? Maybe we should pick a guy who constantly mentions God and works in his name.

Bush - He throws out, what? A token God reference once in a while? Naah.

Now..

BIN LADEN - That's what I'm talkin' about! Allah Ackbar all over! High faith levels here! This guy's been running a fucking CRUSADE in Allah's name. Now, THAT'S faith!

You might say hge doesn't pray to God, but to Allah. But...


First of all, it is important to note that "Allah" is the same word that Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews use for God. If you pick up an Arabic Bible, you will see the word "Allah" being used where "God" is used in English. This is because "Allah" is the only word in the Arabic language equivalent to the English word "God" with a capital "G". Additionally, the word "Allah" cannot be made plural or given gender (i.e. masculine or feminine), which goes hand-in-hand with the Islamic concept of God. Because of this, and also because the Qur'an, which is the holy scripture of Muslims, was revealed in the Arabic language, some Muslims use the word "Allah" for "God", even when they are speaking other languages. This is not unique to the word "Allah", since many Muslims tend to use Arabic words when discussing Islamic issues, regardless of the language which they speak. This is because the universal teachings of Islam - even though they have been translated in every major language - have been preserved in the Arabic language.
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Uh great. That's wonderful. Got anything worth two shits from a rat's ass that you can post?
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Durandal wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:What the hell do you expect out of a bunch of over religious hicks? I mean that's about all Bush has got for selling points and it's only natural like minded individuals are going to back him up.
Not true. Bush's selling point has become, "Who's the Democrat running again?"
That's not so much a selling point for Bush as Kerry being a shitty choice on the part of the Democratic Party.
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Quadlok wrote: And why the hell do reporters think its funny to interview children about political issues? Not that they're any less informed than most of the morons who can vote, but still.
Because it's so cute to hear kids with their opinions which are obviously just parroted from their parents. Ain't it adorable to hear about how much kids love war and killing?
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Darth Wong wrote:Not everyone who votes for Bush is a raving fundie, but most of the raving fundies vote for Bush.
I wonder who's quote that reminds me of. :D
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SyntaxVorlon wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Not everyone who votes for Bush is a raving fundie, but most of the raving fundies vote for Bush.
I wonder who's quote that reminds me of. :D
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Ma Deuce wrote:
SyntaxVorlon wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Not everyone who votes for Bush is a raving fundie, but most of the raving fundies vote for Bush.
I wonder who's quote that reminds me of. :D
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BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:
Ma Deuce wrote:
SyntaxVorlon wrote: I wonder who's quote that reminds me of. :D
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that
most stupid people are conservative."
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Conservatives, and liberals for that matter, were a completely different animal in Mill's days.
It's funny that the conservatives the liberals he praised are the conservatives of today and the liberals of today are unheard of.
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