Putting an end to the Endor-holocaust-debate

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Luke and Leia, using the "power of luminous beings" used the Force to push all the debris from the Death Star back away from Endor so that the forest moon was saved. Image
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Well maybe not Luke and Leia, but what about Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anikan?
That may hav been why they looked so pleased with themselves at the end. It only would have taken something like one of the Emperors big force storms and a level of power never demonstrated by a dead force user, but it is a possibility.

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Was there a Yavin IV Holocaust when the DS1 blew?

Or did the Jovian gas giant Yavin, with its immense gravitational and electromagnetic fields, simply absorb all the, uh, nasty yuckiness? :lol:

Does the Endor moon orbit its own gas giant?
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Enola Straight wrote:Was there a Yavin IV Holocaust when the DS1 blew?

Or did the Jovian gas giant Yavin, with its immense gravitational and electromagnetic fields, simply absorb all the, uh, nasty yuckiness? :lol:
Most of the debris was probably pulled into Yavin's Gravity well. The DS1 was also 250,00km away, versus the DS2's 2,000km artificial orbit, so much much less would have fallen onto Yavin IV than Endor.
Does the Endor moon orbit its own gas giant?
Not at the time of the Battle of Endor.
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I allways wanted to know, why was it called a moon?
In the novelisation, its mother planet was destroyed long long before the events. However, a moon cannot remain a moon without a planet it is orbiting. It will become a planet of his own or a moon of another planet (after a voyage). So, I think the possibilities are:
1, It was actually a moon at the time of RotJ, orbiting a gas giant.
2, It was a planet, but the destruction of its planet happened after it was discovered and named, so, the name remained.

Hmm, in the early script, it was Coruscant's moon. It was clearly not the case. Does it override that it was orbiting a planet or simply that that it was orbiting Coruscant? Or to make the least possible contradiction does it support the "orbited a planet at the time of RotJ" version?
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Enola Straight wrote:Was there a Yavin IV Holocaust when the DS1 blew?

Or did the Jovian gas giant Yavin, with its immense gravitational and electromagnetic fields, simply absorb all the, uh, nasty yuckiness? :lol:

Does the Endor moon orbit its own gas giant?

Woo! And a huge chunk landed on Exar Kun's tombstone, preventing the "Jedi Academy Trilogy" from happening.


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vakundok wrote: Hmm, in the early script, it was Coruscant's moon. It was clearly not the case. Does it override that it was orbiting a planet or simply that that it was orbiting Coruscant? Or to make the least possible contradiction does it support the "orbited a planet at the time of RotJ" version?
It still orbits around a brown something
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PainRack wrote:
vakundok wrote: Hmm, in the early script, it was Coruscant's moon. It was clearly not the case. Does it override that it was orbiting a planet or simply that that it was orbiting Coruscant? Or to make the least possible contradiction does it support the "orbited a planet at the time of RotJ" version?
It still orbits around a brown something
That thing's never been confirmed to be the remnants of the vanished planet Endor, nor that the moon orbits around it. It could just as easily be one of the other nine (?) moons of the departed planet.
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PainRack wrote:
vakundok wrote: Hmm, in the early script, it was Coruscant's moon. It was clearly not the case. Does it override that it was orbiting a planet or simply that that it was orbiting Coruscant? Or to make the least possible contradiction does it support the "orbited a planet at the time of RotJ" version?
It still orbits around a brown something
It was called Had Abbadon (The capital planet), and it was also supposed to be quite a bit more interesting.
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Now that would have been an interesting scenario... the "Coruscant Holocaust"!

Major shakeup in galactic history!

Then again, maybe not, since the planetary shields are supposed to be so incredible on that planet. Might be a fan fic in there someplace...
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Xenophobe3691 wrote:
PainRack wrote:
vakundok wrote: Hmm, in the early script, it was Coruscant's moon. It was clearly not the case. Does it override that it was orbiting a planet or simply that that it was orbiting Coruscant? Or to make the least possible contradiction does it support the "orbited a planet at the time of RotJ" version?
It still orbits around a brown something
It was called Had Abbadon (The capital planet), and it was also supposed to be quite a bit more interesting.
He means the other moon that's seen in the final film briefly near the beginning.
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True, it was Had Abbadon. (And two DSs.) However, it wasn't my main point.
Starwars.com wrote:Secluded in a remote corner of the Outer Rim Territories, the gas giant Endor and its verdant moon of the same name would easily have been overlooked by a busy galaxy were it not for the decisive battle that occurred there.
So, the planet it was originally orbiting had been destroyed, but the moon has been cought by the gas giant Endor and named after that. It seems that this explanation creates the less contradictions (except maybe that whether why it was named Endor instead of Endor I).
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How did you get that the moon was caught by Endor from that?

Frankly, I've never heard that explenation at all in my life. Everything seems to indicate that it was Endor itself that vanished rather than another planet.
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Starwars.com wrote:The description of Endor's planet has changed in different publications. In the film Return of the Jedi, a distant orb can be seen along with the green moon, but it isn't large enough to be definitively labeled a planet. Special effects storyboards for this scene call one of these orbs "Planet Endor."
The Return of the Jedi novel describes the planet disappearing in a long-forgotten cataclysm, a theory supported in the original printing of the Dark Force Rising Sourcebook. The Ewok television movies, however, clearly showed a large gas giant in the Endor skies. The Truce at Bakura and Dark Apprentice novels also make reference to a large central planet visible from Endor's skies.
And the EU section:
Starwars.com wrote:Endor is one of nine moons orbiting a lifeless gas giant in the Moddell sector.
I simply trusted these.
As I wrote in my first post, if Endor was its destroyed mother planet, what kept it in place? (Remember how Kamino was found.) It should have started orbiting the sun and becoming a planet (in which case calling it a moon makes sense only if that happened after it was named) or grabbed by another planet.
So, one source states that its planet was destroyed. An other source states that it was orbiting Endor at the time of RotJ. We can state a contradiction or rationalize it ...

Hey, does the Inside book write something about it?
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Jawawithagun wrote:please do not forget that another part of Endor will be shielded from the direct effects of the DS2's explosion by the moon's own mass.
It won't get irradiated and it won't get hit but the smoke and other after effects will still hammer it, same as earth and the dinosaurs
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