Is this an accurate "political spectrum"

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2004-08-18 11:21pm

I'm trying to find a good one to show a friend of mine, because he just doesn't get it when I try to describe it to him. This is the best one I've found so far...

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-08-18 11:25pm

I'll take heat for it, but I think the difference is the ideal of oppertunity other than the reality.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2004-08-19 12:10am

A person can believe in both Civil and Property Rights- they're not mutually exclusive, as your chart implies. This is the case for several of the points.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-08-19 12:13am

There's no good political spectrum since there's no linear scale. People don't necesarilly go all one way or the other.

That and it doesn't necessarily take into account things like liberatrians and populists.

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » 2004-08-19 12:16am

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:A person can believe in both Civil and Property Rights- they're not mutually exclusive, as your chart implies. This is the case for several of the points.

The chart doesn't look like it's saying they're mutually exclusive, just that saying that one takes precidence over the other (property over civil or vice versa) puts someone on one side of the spectrum or the other.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2004-08-19 12:20am

Mayabird wrote:
BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:A person can believe in both Civil and Property Rights- they're not mutually exclusive, as your chart implies. This is the case for several of the points.
The chart doesn't look like it's saying they're mutually exclusive, just that saying that one takes precidence over the other (property over civil or vice versa) puts someone on one side of the spectrum or the other.

What type of an idiot has a preference on the type of right they want violated?

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2004-08-19 12:22am

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote: What type of an idiot has a preference on the type of right they want violated?

Look at the furor concerning Gay Marriage. While those with a bit of logic induced prescience can see the avalanche that this pebble of an issue can cause, a lot of conservatives don't. All they see is "Clinton's cock! Clinton's cock!"

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2004-08-19 12:36am

Try this quiz. I couldnt get the picture, but the test will place you on a 2-D political spectrum that I find very useful. The commentary on the different areas is pretty biased towards libertarianism, but its worth a look-see.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-08-19 12:42am

Bugsby wrote:Try this quiz. I couldnt get the picture, but the test will place you on a 2-D political spectrum that I find very useful. The commentary on the different areas is pretty biased towards libertarianism, but its worth a look-see.

Liberal-Libertarian leaning, pretty much accurate.

Prozac the Robert · Post by **Prozac the Robert** » 2004-08-19 09:18am

"Nuture is the primary arbiter of advancement". Would people really class this as an ultra radical liberal statement?

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2004-08-19 09:20am

Bugsby wrote:Try this quiz. I couldnt get the picture, but the test will place you on a 2-D political spectrum that I find very useful. The commentary on the different areas is pretty biased towards libertarianism, but its worth a look-see.

That's not a very good quiz. Its primary purpose is to recruit people to libertarianism.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-08-19 09:38am

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:What type of an idiot has a preference on the type of right they want violated?

Rape victims who were coerced at gun- or knife-point.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2004-08-19 11:27am

Durandal wrote:
BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:What type of an idiot has a preference on the type of right they want violated?
Rape victims who were coerced at gun- or knife-point.

You're a fucking idiot. The statement implied "by the Government", as neither "group" supports crime.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-08-19 12:00pm

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:
Durandal wrote:
BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:What type of an idiot has a preference on the type of right they want violated?
Rape victims who were coerced at gun- or knife-point.
You're a fucking idiot. The statement implied "by the Government", as neither "group" supports crime.

In that case, the entire American populace. In some instances, individual rights take precedence; in others, society's safety and security does.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-08-19 02:20pm

Iceberg wrote:
Bugsby wrote:Try this quiz. I couldnt get the picture, but the test will place you on a 2-D political spectrum that I find very useful. The commentary on the different areas is pretty biased towards libertarianism, but its worth a look-see.
That's not a very good quiz. Its primary purpose is to recruit people to libertarianism.

I like the concept of the chart, but the quiz needs to be a lot longer.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2004-08-19 02:24pm

RedImperator wrote:
Iceberg wrote:
Bugsby wrote:Try this quiz. I couldnt get the picture, but the test will place you on a 2-D political spectrum that I find very useful. The commentary on the different areas is pretty biased towards libertarianism, but its worth a look-see.
That's not a very good quiz. Its primary purpose is to recruit people to libertarianism.
I like the concept of the chart, but the quiz needs to be a lot longer.

Um, you miss the point, which is that the questions of the quiz are written leadingly and are designed to tilt the quizzee toward the Libertarian Party.

Quadlok · Post by **Quadlok** » 2004-08-19 02:37pm

Both the chart (in the OP) and the quiz are oversimplified, and the quiz, in addition, seems to have a serious bias toward libertarianism. The chart, atleast, is open towards interpretation, and is simply presented in a format in which it would be difficult to actually give specifics.

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2004-08-19 02:42pm

Prozac the Robert wrote:"Nuture is the primary arbiter of advancement". Would people really class this as an ultra radical liberal statement?

The more radical form of it, the complete anti-determinist form, would, but there are less radical material areas were this statement holds water.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-08-19 04:55pm

Iceberg wrote:
RedImperator wrote:
Iceberg wrote: That's not a very good quiz. Its primary purpose is to recruit people to libertarianism.
I like the concept of the chart, but the quiz needs to be a lot longer.
Um, you miss the point, which is that the questions of the quiz are written leadingly and are designed to tilt the quizzee toward the Libertarian Party.

I tend to agree with Iceberg on this. I still have modestly libertarian leanings but the quiz is ridiculously biased.

GySgt. Hartman · Post by **GySgt. Hartman** » 2004-08-19 04:57pm

I don't see why "prefers heterogeneous population" is so close to "prefers maximum state control over the individual".

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-08-19 04:57pm

I'm not entirely sure why this thing has ethics and morality as distinct concepts from one another, since they are pretty much the same thing. Not all morality is religious in nature.