Size of Leviathan confirmed

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2004-08-19 01:15pm

http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/leviathan/

Okay, so it's a 600 metre long Interdictor. Which means that my guestimate for the Star Forge's size (in this thread) is about twice as big as its actual size (since I assumed that the Leviathan was the same size as an ISD). That means the SF is ~ 50 km long.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-08-19 01:24pm

Does weapons compliment seem a bit too low to you? Also it's funny that the Interdictor cruiser's gav well projectors are so big you can't even if wanted to, but projectors of the Leviathan are totally hiden.

Luzifer's right hand · Post by **Luzifer's right hand** » 2004-08-19 01:40pm

Lord Revan wrote:Does weapons compliment seem a bit too low to you? Also it's funny that the Interdictor cruiser's gav well projectors are so big you can't even if wanted to, but projectors of the Leviathan are totally hiden.

It seems odd that it has only 4 TLs when the Ebon Hawk which is a much smaller ship has already Dual TLs.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2004-08-19 02:20pm

Perhaps they are the size of the heavy TLs used by the ISD-I?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-08-19 02:37pm

Why is the HEIGHT measured, instead of the length?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-08-19 05:11pm

Why do the EU authors fetishize midget ships? Did the galaxy have orders of magnitude less industrial capacity before? Did the galaxy itself expand exponentially since the Sith War?

Fuck Pablo and his minimalist inbred cousin fucks. Fuck it.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-08-19 05:18pm

Luzifer's right hand wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:Does weapons compliment seem a bit too low to you? Also it's funny that the Interdictor cruiser's gav well projectors are so big you can't even if wanted to, but projectors of the Leviathan are totally hiden.
It seems odd that it has only 4 TLs when the Ebon Hawk which is a much smaller ship has already Dual TLs.

Number of guns is totally different from power of guns

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2004-08-19 05:19pm

How is it "massive" and the "pride of the New Republic fleet" and its loss a "great blow" when the things only twice as big as a fucking CVN???

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2004-08-19 05:23pm

Ender wrote:Number of guns is totally different from power of guns

Are any of the TLs visible turrets on the hull?

Darwin · Post by **Darwin** » 2004-08-19 05:30pm

Well the pic at the end of the starforge thread shows at least 10 twin turbloaser batteries active on a broadside.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2004-08-19 05:55pm

Lord Revan wrote:Does weapons compliment seem a bit too low to you?

Extremely, considering that it flattened a planet. The clip of it seem to have a lot more.. very.. odd.

Lord Revan wrote:Also it's funny that the Interdictor cruiser's gav well projectors are so big you can't even if wanted to, but projectors of the Leviathan are totally hiden.

Maybe they are weak in comparison with the later interdictors. I find it strange that the interdictor is introduced so early, when it's said to be developed by the Empire much later. Perhaps it's a case of lost-rediscovered tech.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2004-08-19 05:57pm

Master of Ossus wrote:Why is the HEIGHT measured, instead of the length?

I'd guess that's merely the sw.com databank's format.

Kerneth · Post by **Kerneth** » 2004-08-19 06:16pm

The website mentions it's a 4000 year old technology. Perhaps the Imperial Interdictor Cruisers had much larger grav-well generators to provide extra power--either creating "larger" grav-well effect or a "deeper" one, or both.

As for the size...once again, it's 4000 year old technology. At that point, for whatever reason, there may not have been much demand for enormous vessels like the Empire favored.

Dreadnoughts were considered powerful vessels, and were small by the standards of the Empire and later the New Republic. Possibly, the Empire set a new standard by having access to an enormous economy and more willingness to pump funds into bigger, more powerful starships--while the Old Republic had, perhaps, the same economic power to play with it may not have had the willingness to spend that much of its capital on developing bigger, nastier starships.

The weapons issue I can't answer to; it does seem rather undergunned for its size. Maybe the grav-well projectors required enough energy that the designers felt the generators couldn't power an enormous weapons array on top of the shields and the projectors?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-08-19 07:42pm

Give me a fucking break. They have hyperdrive. They have explored the whole galaxy and unified it. These people later build the Death Star.

The fucking thing is twice the size of our Nimitz-class CVN and is the "pride of the Republic Navy."

And did you miss the tens of thousands of 2-mile wide carriers orbiting Naboo in a certain film as a political ploy before a real military even existed?

Don't rely on the EU for scale in the SW galaxy.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-08-19 08:36pm

reading through the actual entries, it seems that they ment batteries rather than gun barels. Could it be possible that it merely has four groups of actual turbolasers along its brim tenches?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-08-19 08:40pm

My friend also told me that the game says that the Leviathan was around 1600 meters, or roughly on the scale of the Imperial-class Star Destroyer's mass.

EDIT: I find this mildly more acceptable. Imagine if you will an era where the Republic Navy and militaries in general prefer a more genteel and elitist attitude toward combat and command. Consider that in this era, fancy, almost artistically-formed small vessels form the majority of command ships (with other, uglier, larger, and more practical vessels serving as fleet combatants). Such duties are relegated to what amount to militarized yachts for their ostentatious commanders, and more more dedicated solely to C4I, akin to the USN's Blue Ridge-class. However, in the much more pragmatic and chaotic era of Palpatine's reign, command ships are often encorporated into the designs of formidable Star Battleships or Star Dreadnoughts, such as Admiral Giel's flagship or HIMS Executor.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-08-19 09:48pm

What in the hell is the Leviathan? (Yeah, I can see the databank entry, but I've never heard of it before.)

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-08-19 09:52pm

Considering that 4 sets of 2 guns are shown firing on Taris, one is faced with the fact that the data base is wrong OR that the Leviathan only has weapons on one side of the ship.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-08-20 12:16am

What the? The Leviathan is not a Republic vessel, its Rakatan, produced by the Star Forge- who here has actually played Knights of the Old Republic?

AniThyng · Post by **AniThyng** » 2004-08-20 12:21am

in anycase, wasn't it called an "Indictor" flagship in KOTOR itself?

as opposed to an Interdictor

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-08-20 12:23am

Vympel wrote:What the? The Leviathan is not a Republic vessel, its Rakatan, produced by the Star Forge- who here has actually played Knights of the Old Republic?

Actually in the game, when you learn about Carth, you lean that Admiral (whats his nuts) took the Leviathan with him when he defected to the Sith, IIRC.

Darwin · Post by **Darwin** » 2004-08-20 03:02am

Lord Revan wrote:Also it's funny that the Interdictor cruiser's gav well projectors are so big you can't even if wanted to, but projectors of the Leviathan are totally hiden.

Maybe they are weak in comparison with the later interdictors. I find it strange that the interdictor is introduced so early, when it's said to be developed by the Empire much later. Perhaps it's a case of lost-rediscovered tech.[/quote]

It could be that later hyperdrives are less sensitive to the type of disturbance generated by a Leviathan's gravwell projectors.. requiring something on a much larger scale to actually trip the safeties.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-08-20 03:35am

Knife wrote:
Vympel wrote:What the? The Leviathan is not a Republic vessel, its Rakatan, produced by the Star Forge- who here has actually played Knights of the Old Republic?
Actually in the game, when you learn about Carth, you lean that Admiral (whats his nuts) took the Leviathan with him when he defected to the Sith, IIRC.

The admiral's name is Saul Karath. And for the Leviathan being Rakatan product, Carth Onassi served on the Leviathan, so that states that it must be a Republic ship. Since if sith cruisers were non-republic desing, it would provoke questions that neither Revan or Malak would want to be asked (the sith ship were part of Revan's fleet during the Mandalorian war.

Fire Fly · Post by **Fire Fly** » 2004-08-20 04:54am

Rogue 9 wrote:What in the hell is the Leviathan? (Yeah, I can see the databank entry, but I've never heard of it before.)

I would also like to reitereate (since it has not been answered yet after six posts), what is the Leviathan?

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-08-20 05:03am

Fire Fly wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:What in the hell is the Leviathan? (Yeah, I can see the databank entry, but I've never heard of it before.)
I would also like to reitereate (since it has not been answered yet after six posts), what is the Leviathan?

The Leviathan is flag ship of Admiral Saul Karath commander of Sith fleet In KOTOR