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Quadlok wrote: Yeah. I tried to read his fanfic one time, but gave up about a chapter and a half in after counting more than three dozen lies, falacies, double standards, omissions, and other various stupidity.
He writes fanfics as narrative debate arguments?

He must have shit for artistic ability.
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Jessie Stamos wrote:
Quadlok wrote: Yeah. I tried to read his fanfic one time, but gave up about a chapter and a half in after counting more than three dozen lies, falacies, double standards, omissions, and other various stupidity.
He writes fanfics as narrative debate arguments?

He must have shit for artistic ability.
I invite you to read 'Portal'. If you can finish it, your Shit Filters are more powerful than mine. It should almost be an initiation around here. :)
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Hey, I'm brave because I'm the only one who not only had read through the whole shit "Portal" is, no, I also took it apart to point out all the shit in it.
See it here:
Dissecting "Portal"

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Tribun wrote:Hey, I'm brave because I'm the only one who not only had read through the whole shit "Portal" is, no, I also took it apart to point out all the shit in it.
See it here:
Dissecting "Portal"

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I started to do so in HOS once, but RedImp locked it before I was done.
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Tribun wrote:Hey, I'm brave because I'm the only one who not only had read through the whole shit "Portal" is, no, I also took it apart to point out all the shit in it.
See it here:
Dissecting "Portal"

Have fun!
My favorite bit of hypocracy is his insistance that he uses only the films and nothing else, not even the film novelizations as evidence for SW yet claims their reactors are all fusion based which is found NOWHERE in the films.
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Another point of hypocracy is how he insists that the Force has no effect on people in Trek while at the same time allowing Troi to have all her emphatic powers function normally.
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Praxis wrote:
1) It was stated that the TIE would have survived had it been in space
2) It was the hardest snap turn the X-wing could possibly do, and the pilot was inexperienced, trying to maneuver as if he was in space.

Notice #2. The snap turn of the X-wing was probably FAR faster than any modern day fighter could POSSIBLY do, probably fast enough to kill an organic pilot without inertial compensation. The fact that the TIE fighter was unable to follow the maneuver when the pilot was inexperienced with atmospheric flight only suggests that the TIE cannot snap turn as fast as an X-wing in atmosphere. The TIE can still outperform an F-18, and it can still fight, since the more experienced TIE pilots were chasing the Rogues all over the place and one TIE even kept on Corran's tail in the middle of the worst Coruscant thunderstorm in centuries. This likely would have EASILY blown an F-18 away, since the Headhunter Corran was flying could barely keep on course.
Or a more likely explaination, considering that the X-wing snap turn isn't that spectular either, is that the TIE in question was badly maintained. This is a TIE from Isgard fleet, which has been cut off from the larger Imperial resource base. Lack of spare parts and general combat vehicles in general may have forced her to use TIEs whoose frames have exceeded their useful life.

Especially when one remembers that the structural stresses a TIE experience in re-entry, being grabbed by tractors and high speed accelerations, the belief that the sheer forces from this maneveur can tear off the wings is unbelievable.
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the F-18 is a sweet ride for todays standard but i doubt it would own a Tie Fighter. All the tie would have to do is slow down and get behind the F-18 the Hornet would have to either run away or slow down till it stalled and fell out of the sky. Their was a couple of F-16's jocks in USAFE that tried to out slow each other the both fell out of the sky. Stall speed is a killer in modern aircraft not as big of a problem in SW. :wink:
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Re: f-18 vs Tie fighter

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jawbertsc wrote:the F-18 is a sweet ride for todays standard but i doubt it would own a Tie Fighter. All the tie would have to do is slow down and get behind the F-18 the Hornet would have to either run away or slow down till it stalled and fell out of the sky. Their was a couple of F-16's jocks in USAFE that tried to out slow each other the both fell out of the sky. Stall speed is a killer in modern aircraft not as big of a problem in SW. :wink:
They really have no chance. X-Wing keeps depicting fighters flying and turning in the depths of a city. Now, maybe Star Wars cities are totally different, but I don't see any modern fighter, with at least 400m+ of turning radius, able to negotiate more than the straights in a city, they'd crash.
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No chance for Hornet?

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Well i doubt i go that far the F-18's APG-65 radar has look down shoot down capability so they could fly over the citiy and shoot missles down at the TIE's. The Ties' speed and manuvarbility would be limited in the city. This would make it easier for the Hornet to score a missle hit. Till the Ties came up to play that is ;)
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Please God, don't make the reading of "The Portal" a right of initiation. The existence of Voyager was hard enough to surviver, I don't know if I can read that crap and survive. Have pity on this poor rookie.
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Re: No chance for Hornet?

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jawbertsc wrote:Well i doubt i go that far the F-18's APG-65 radar has look down shoot down capability so they could fly over the citiy and shoot missles down at the TIE's. The Ties' speed and manuvarbility would be limited in the city. This would make it easier for the Hornet to score a missle hit. Till the Ties came up to play that is ;)
Use a brief vertical maneuver to lose them. The radar is look-down, shoot-down, but it is likely to be jammed to pieces by the ECM system. Worse, the look-down, shoot down means any TIE can break a lock merely by STOPPING.
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Jessie Stamos wrote:
Quadlok wrote: Yeah. I tried to read his fanfic one time, but gave up about a chapter and a half in after counting more than three dozen lies, falacies, double standards, omissions, and other various stupidity.
He writes fanfics as narrative debate arguments?

He must have shit for artistic ability.
Mike did the same thing with his fanfic, but it was far more fun to read, and I'm not just saying that because of the built-in site bias. Honest.
; ) And yes, I read through both of 'em.
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Kurgan wrote:
Jessie Stamos wrote:
Quadlok wrote: Yeah. I tried to read his fanfic one time, but gave up about a chapter and a half in after counting more than three dozen lies, falacies, double standards, omissions, and other various stupidity.
He writes fanfics as narrative debate arguments?

He must have shit for artistic ability.
Mike did the same thing with his fanfic, but it was far more fun to read, and I'm not just saying that because of the built-in site bias. Honest.
; ) And yes, I read through both of 'em.
You don't want to see what would happen to MW's FanFic if he was serious about putting a FanFic as a narratie debate argument, even at the time it was written.
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Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
Jessie Stamos wrote: He writes fanfics as narrative debate arguments?

He must have shit for artistic ability.
Mike did the same thing with his fanfic, but it was far more fun to read, and I'm not just saying that because of the built-in site bias. Honest.
; ) And yes, I read through both of 'em.
You don't want to see what would happen to MW's FanFic if he was serious about putting a FanFic as a narratie debate argument, even at the time it was written.
So you're trying to tell me I don't know the power of the Wong-Side?

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I think it's hilarious that the differences between Conquest and Portal are so vast. They were both written with a particular vs argument in mind, both one-sided in their analysis of STvsSW.

But one sucks. And one is actually quite good.

It says so much about the authors themselves, that GK wrote a wildly mastubatory fanfic, and Mike wrote what is still a GOOD STORY, and even compromised his own figures for a better story. Kudos.
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Other than writing style, I think the main strength of Mike's story was that he tried to use the authentic character of the persons involved. After all these aren't people he invented (well, most of them anyway, and I can't say about the adult Jedi siblings, since I haven't read the NJO), so by using examples of their behavior from the actual source materials they felt "true" to character.

As to a straight up vs. story, yes, for dramatic purposes the story goes a certain way, rather than just the way a vs. debate would go ("haha, my team destroys your team completely and then laughs, the end"). Showing how powerful your side is while telling a good story is what makes it work better.
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Kurgan wrote:Other than writing style, I think the main strength of Mike's story was that he tried to use the authentic character of the persons involved. After all these aren't people he invented (well, most of them anyway, and I can't say about the adult Jedi siblings, since I haven't read the NJO), so by using examples of their behavior from the actual source materials they felt "true" to character.
He got the Solo's down to a T. Anakin is the most powerful one, Jaina is a slut and Jacen is a whiney wee cunt.
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Darth Wong wrote:Nobody wants to use your broken links :wink:

Here's the quote:
Graham Kennedy wrote: Spock : "Of course. The light of the sun at the proximity where
the Denevan declared himself free was one million candles per
square inch. If this works, the satellites we orbit will produce
light of such intensity that even someone in a closed, darkened
area will be affected by it."

I looked around the net, and according to this site :

http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/dictC.html

a candle is the same thing as a candela, which is defined as
a light source which emits a certain amount of power per unit
solid angle; the site says that over a whole sphere, it
equates to 18.3988 milliwatts. So a million candles is
18.3988 kilowatts.

Now the satellites were to produce this much per square inch,
all over the planet. Earth's surface area is about 510 million
square km, which is about 2,000 quadrillion square inches.
(Deneva seems to be Earth-like - we can argue that it may be
much smaller, but then it's equally likely to have been much
larger.)

Multiplying 2,000 quadrillion square inches up by 18.3988
kilowatts per square inch, we find that the satellites put
out 3.7 x 10^22 Watts - about 37,000,000,000 Terawatts.
Note the assumption that Spock's numbers are correct, even though 10 cal/cm^2 will cause third-degree burns. As usual, Kennedy does not bother to check his figures against any verifiable physical data. This guy never changes.
Actually, i find the fact that he is mixing his math to be more damning.
Take his stated definition of a candela - Its an energy output over an angular "chunk" of a sphere.
So "candles per square inch" is a BULSHIT measurement - IE, impossible.
Not to mention that then, wonderboy here decides to use the amount of energy required to output one candela of light sphereically, and then somehow says "oh yeah, that light that is radiating in a sphereical pattern? Lets put all the energy onto one square inch!".
WTF!
His units (and spocks units) are wrong, and so the numbers make NO FUCKING SENSE.

Someone please kill him.
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Lord Pounder wrote:
Kurgan wrote:Other than writing style, I think the main strength of Mike's story was that he tried to use the authentic character of the persons involved. After all these aren't people he invented (well, most of them anyway, and I can't say about the adult Jedi siblings, since I haven't read the NJO), so by using examples of their behavior from the actual source materials they felt "true" to character.
He got the Solo's down to a T. Anakin is the most powerful one, Jaina is a slut and Jacen is a whiney wee cunt.
IIRC he did get one thing mixed up, Jaina was the one who was suppose to be the mechanical enthusiast (and got Han's attention for such things), Jacen was the animal lover.
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Lord Pounder wrote:He got the Solo's down to a T. Anakin is the most powerful one, Jaina is a slut and Jacen is a whiney wee cunt.
I agree with the Anakin and Jacen, But Jaina being a slut? Which book is that in?
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Gustav32Vasa wrote:
Lord Pounder wrote:He got the Solo's down to a T. Anakin is the most powerful one, Jaina is a slut and Jacen is a whiney wee cunt.
I agree with the Anakin and Jacen, But Jaina being a slut? Which book is that in?
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Regarding TIE Fighters in atmosphere, I point you toward Starfighters of Adumar. We have a society that clearly possesses the ability to, among other things, produce nuclear-grade weaponry and antigravity. They've got a hard-on for atmospheric fighter-craft - in fact, it's much like a Samurai culture to them. One would logically assume that these ships are the cutting edge of what the planet has to offer.

TIE Fighters bitchslap them with near impunity. In atmosphere.
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IIRC they where Interceptors. (paraphrase)"They were easy to pick out on sensors, they were the fastest moving objects."
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