STGOD 4 OOC Thread (part 2)

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2004-08-20 05:31am

If I've got more shit to post and I've currently got the last post, would it be better to edit the last post or leave it alone and make a new one?

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2004-08-20 08:40am

Been quiet last couple days; everyone decided to take a vacation?
Speaking of which; I'll be leaving sunday or monday for a little week long vacation, and unless I'm very lucky; I don't think i'll have access to the internet for the entire week.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-08-20 08:58am

InnocentBystander wrote:Been quiet last couple days; everyone decided to take a vacation?
Speaking of which; I'll be leaving sunday or monday for a little week long vacation, and unless I'm very lucky; I don't think i'll have access to the internet for the entire week.

Aren't we in a hiatus, anyway?

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-08-21 10:50am

Speaking of HIatus, I'm going on vacation for 2 weeks (Returning just in time for the Hiatus to break!) I might have full internet connectivity, but in all likelyhood, I'll be online sporadically at best.

Murazor · Post by **Murazor** » 2004-08-21 11:31am

I also think that I will be unable to post anything until the end of the hiatus. Meanwhile, have a nice end of summer.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-08-21 04:38pm

Folks, I'm sorry to say that for unknown reasons my connection took a dive this Thurday or round about, it is currently unknown when it will be reestblished.

CoC is has follows:
Rogue 9
Alliance members in good standing
Hotfoot
Marcoa
Pablo (you can always trust a mod, even a mod playing an evil, bloodsucking race.)
Stormbringer
Thridfain
Any player(any enteries after this point are for humor only, so laugh damn you!)
Any one breathing
No really anyone, please
Laz

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-08-21 04:46pm

Ah. I was beginning to wonder. Right, if there are any urgent actions you want taken care of, PM me and I'll see to it.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-08-21 04:49pm

Nothing has of yet, I may or may not be able to secure weeky access via public computers. I cannot make any promises. Sorry about leaving you in the lurch like that Rogue.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-08-21 04:53pm

Hey, no problem. We ain't exactly at war here.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-08-21 04:54pm

Yet. But it is unlikey that war will start with everyone taking a quick vacation.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-08-21 07:03pm

Aly, firstly there is shielding, ECM, and enough interference in the air to prevent any transporters, whatsoever. Secondly this is not the pirate supporting aristocracy (not that you'd be able to know ahead of time anyway) these are average joe shmucks, they elected their government and they don't like you coming in and trying to take them out over supposed piracy. Finally Flame-retardent? Since when do war-ships carry enough flame-retardent to save entire townships?

Just because you're paying that poor little piper doesn't mean you should start power-gaming up the wazoo.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-08-21 07:19pm

Straha wrote:Aly, firstly there is shielding, ECM, and enough interference in the air to prevent any transporters, whatsoever. Secondly this is not the pirate supporting aristocracy (not that you'd be able to know ahead of time anyway) these are average joe shmucks, they elected their government and they don't like you coming in and trying to take them out over supposed piracy. Finally Flame-retardent? Since when do war-ships carry enough flame-retardent to save entire townships?

Just because you're paying that poor little piper doesn't mean you should start power-gaming up the wazoo.

Bullshit, even in the face of massive interferance it is possible to transport someone if they are painted with a tracking dart. Reference to tech purposes Start Trek Insurrection

Second, there is no shielding, and we took care of the ECM up until the beginnings of the city proper

And third: The goverrnment of this world is not elected. That has been established in game that it is run by a pirate aristocracy that treats average joe schmuck like little more than slaves at the point of a gun. You control the military, I already established the social structure. That fact is just that, a fact. Indesputable.

All we would need to do is line the first few rows of houses along the streets we intend to glass. The lasers we use are focused energy weapons. Melting the tar based roades and relativly small amounts of steel will heat up the ground around it, but t wont exactly cause a fireball.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-08-21 07:33pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Straha wrote:Aly, firstly there is shielding, ECM, and enough interference in the air to prevent any transporters, whatsoever. Secondly this is not the pirate supporting aristocracy (not that you'd be able to know ahead of time anyway) these are average joe shmucks, they elected their government and they don't like you coming in and trying to take them out over supposed piracy. Finally Flame-retardent? Since when do war-ships carry enough flame-retardent to save entire townships?

Just because you're paying that poor little piper doesn't mean you should start power-gaming up the wazoo.
Bullshit, even in the face of massive interferance it is possible to transport someone if they are painted with a tracking dart. Reference to tech purposes Start Trek Insurrection

So, people inside houses... are being tagged... with darts... launched from fighters?

Second, there is no shielding, and we took care of the ECM up until the beginnings of the city proper

So, ECM transmiters inside of houses never occured to you? Minor ECM transmitters (almost anything can scramble a transport?_ Transporter Scramblers (not like you'd have been searching for those) never occured to you either? Not like any of those were dealt with, go figure.

And third: The goverrnment of this world is not elected. That has been established in game that it is run by a pirate aristocracy that treats average joe schmuck like little more than slaves at the point of a gun. You control the military, I already established the social structure. That fact is just that, a fact. Indesputable.

Actually, yes quite disputable. I went looking through for that and didn't find it. I posted on er... Page 14 of this thread how I was going to play it, and said that anyone (you are included there) objects to state so then. You didn't, so I played on with that. Your problem for missing it not mine. (Unless you want to rehash the old slavery bit, which we already dealed with)

All we would need to do is line the first few rows of houses along the streets we intend to glass. The lasers we use are focused energy weapons. Melting the tar based roades and relativly small amounts of steel will heat up the ground around it, but t wont exactly cause a fireball.

So, the roads are tar based? In ~1,000 years we haven't come up with anything more durable than tar? You still ignored the fact that you wouldn't have fire-retardent on hand to deal with the heat, but of course we all know F-16s carry fire-retardent foam cannons...

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-08-21 07:49pm

So, people inside houses... are being tagged... with darts... launched from fighters?

No, we tagged people lining the streets

So, ECM transmiters inside of houses never occured to you? Minor ECM transmitters (almost anything can scramble a transport?_ Transporter Scramblers (not like you'd have been searching for those) never occured to you either? Not like any of those were dealt with, go figure.

Are civvies going to have those on a regular basis?

Actually, yes quite disputable. I went looking through for that and didn't find it. I posted on er... Page 14 of this thread how I was going to play it, and said that anyone (you are included there) objects to state so then. You didn't, so I played on with that. Your problem for missing it not mine. (Unless you want to rehash the old slavery bit, which we already dealed with)

Must have missed it, I will go back and check

however, I established the fact IIRC in an intel post that the population was oppressed by pirates, so no, it isnt disputable.

So, the roads are tar based? In ~1,000 years we haven't come up with anything more durable than tar? You still ignored the fact that you wouldn't have fire-retardent on hand to deal with the heat, but of course we all know F-16s carry fire-retardent foam cannons...

It is cheap an efficient. And if they are using ground based roads there is no reason to use anything but.

What, you think we wouldnt have brought shit for containing city destroying fires with us? Shit, you can load the cargo bays of a transport with that stuff, and a ground attack gunboat designed for this sort of mission just may have a cargo bay filled with it. You fly relatively low, and open the cargo bay, spilling flame retadent in the general direction of your travel.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-08-21 07:50pm

Also, the way I'm going to play this is that Tortuga itself is a 'democratic' nation, that elects a 'congress/parliment,' the catch is that the pirates (defence force) get 30% of the vote, which is far from what their fair representation. However the populace doesn't actually disaprove of the pirates, and that most don't even know they are pirates. The few that do know don't care about the pirates, because they boost the economy (thus allowing the massive fleet) and also add reinforcements to the actual Tortugan defense force in times of trouble.

I missed it before, I am disputing it now. It has been refuted in the game thread itself in the posting leading up this fight.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-08-21 07:55pm

High Varathrax Orbit: Fleet Assembly

The First and Second fleets were assembled. The entire crews of eery vessell reading their orders.

First and Second Fleet of the Draconis Republic,

You are hereby ordered to proceed to the Pk1173 system. There you will find what intelligence indicates is world populated by humans, under a brutal pirate regime. Your orders are to jump in, engage their fleet., and liberate the planet.
You are to disable their ships, kill or capture their enlisted crews, execute those you capture, then land on the planet and liberate its population.
We will then install a democratic regime, as a Client World of the Draconis Republic.

May the Universe be with you,
<Senate>

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-08-21 08:17pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
High Varathrax Orbit: Fleet Assembly

The First and Second fleets were assembled. The entire crews of eery vessell reading their orders.

First and Second Fleet of the Draconis Republic,

You are hereby ordered to proceed to the Pk1173 system. There you will find what intelligence indicates is world populated by humans, under a brutal pirate regime. Your orders are to jump in, engage their fleet., and liberate the planet.
You are to disable their ships, kill or capture their enlisted crews, execute those you capture, then land on the planet and liberate its population.
We will then install a democratic regime, as a Client World of the Draconis Republic.

May the Universe be with you,
<Senate>

Propoganda. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with reality.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-08-21 08:21pm

Beowulf wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:
High Varathrax Orbit: Fleet Assembly

The First and Second fleets were assembled. The entire crews of eery vessell reading their orders.

First and Second Fleet of the Draconis Republic,

You are hereby ordered to proceed to the Pk1173 system. There you will find what intelligence indicates is world populated by humans, under a brutal pirate regime. Your orders are to jump in, engage their fleet., and liberate the planet.
You are to disable their ships, kill or capture their enlisted crews, execute those you capture, then land on the planet and liberate its population.
We will then install a democratic regime, as a Client World of the Draconis Republic.

May the Universe be with you,
<Senate>
Propoganda. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with reality.

Fleet orders, no use for propaganda.

However, I can always put the good old "I created the world and its social structure, and Straha has no right to change the social order I had designed for it" line out of my ass. And it would be perfectly valid. He is doing me a favor by handling their militay side, but he really has no control over the worlds social structure at all.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-08-21 08:32pm

Also, my ntional constitution strictly forbids invasion under false pretenses. Which means that had the senate done so, they would all be guilty of treason.

guess what that means

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-08-21 09:00pm

Propoganda always has uses. In the mentioned fleet orders, it encourages your soldiers and sailors, because they're fighting for what's right. And Straha has every right to change the social order, because you never specified it, and it ain't your world until you conquer it. As to invasion under false pretenses... The pretense you're going to war under is that you're doing the invasion to get rid of pirates. 3 strikes, you're out.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-08-21 09:04pm

Alyrium--
I'm not liking this transporter scheme, and I'm not liking the flame-retardants thing either. Neither of those things are really workable.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-08-21 10:12pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:Also, my ntional constitution strictly forbids invasion under false pretenses. Which means that had the senate done so, they would all be guilty of treason.

guess what that means

*Sharpens axe* The Executioner gets overtime pay?

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-08-22 12:02am

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
High Varathrax Orbit: Fleet Assembly

The First and Second fleets were assembled. The entire crews of eery vessell reading their orders.

First and Second Fleet of the Draconis Republic,

You are hereby ordered to proceed to the Pk1173 system. There you will find what intelligence indicates is world populated by humans, under a brutal pirate regime. Your orders are to jump in, engage their fleet., and liberate the planet.
You are to disable their ships, kill or capture their enlisted crews, execute those you capture, then land on the planet and liberate its population.
We will then install a democratic regime, as a Client World of the Draconis Republic.

May the Universe be with you,
<Senate>

Emphasis mine.

See, this works just fine with my post even if it isn't propaganda. A defense force known to collude with Pirates has 30% of the vote in the senate. Therefore they could be called 'under a pirate regime,' we already pointed out way back why the pirates really can't be that brutal, and you know if the people didn't like em' the pirates wouldn't be there.

The only way I can think of this coming into being is that if the pirates came to the planet long ago (probably pre-STGOD 1 era) when it was still growing and had a miniscule defense force. The pirates made a deal with the then rulers of the planet, and said that if the planet gave them a safe harbor, ship repairs, and new ships, the pirates would supplement their defense force and give them a cut of their booty. At that time, or maybe later, the pirates also pushed for a thirty precent reprsentation in the senate/parliment/council/whatever. The deal could have been sold to the public as the government hiring mercenaries, and the booty and a flourishing economy would have allowed for the massive defense fleet that we see today.

Or can you think of another way this would have worked?

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-08-22 12:03am

SirNitram wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:Also, my ntional constitution strictly forbids invasion under false pretenses. Which means that had the senate done so, they would all be guilty of treason.

guess what that means
*Sharpens axe* The Executioner gets overtime pay?

You forgot the fact that there's going to be a thorough (sp?) house-cleaning after the next elections even if the Executioner doesn't do his thang.

Also I sent a message to you in game thread, you might want to reply.

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2004-08-22 12:17am

If I might interject; Alyrium, even with people on the ground giving live targeting data you are going to have a few misses, not to mention that unless you are getting real-time atmospheric data throughout the atmosphere chances are every shot will deliver a different amount of energy to the surface. Finally, it’s not unreasonable at all to assume that in the far flung future there is some other form of ultra cheap high endurance/strength street material. Maybe even something that’s easier to lay down I’ve seen those machines that build roads, they don’t go all that fast, perhaps this new future material can be laid down even faster? Never the less, its not unreasonable at all.

Oh, and by covering entire neighborhoods with fire retardant foam, aren't you kind of, you know, suffocating all those people to death? Which is a worse, asphyxiation or being burned alive? Both are (I’d assume) painful and end up killing you, don’t think you’ll win any brownie points with the locals that way.