Except there's a court case developing in Wisconsin that's all set to challenge it, as it's being applied. Either way, outlawing 527 groups is a lot harder to do than you think. There might be some new checks on their behaviour but outlawing it's out of the question.Joe wrote:Not really. If they can pass McCain-Feingold without any Constitutional issues, they can outlaw 527s.
Bush Denounces Swift Boat Ad.
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It's funny, the Dems have been crying for Bush to denounce the ads, and then when he does, they still have to be all pissy and moany.Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Kerry fanatics? Give me a break. The scumbag has some implicit ties to them and its cut from the same "'dat evil McCain's been fatherin' bastards with dem darkies!" shit that they pulled in South Carolina in 2000.
Fuck him. This is the least he could have done, and plenty late too.
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Re: Bush Denounces Swift Boat Ad.
Um... tell me, how does saying, "Happy now, Kerry fanatics?" make it sound like it was painful for Bush?Durandal wrote:Oh fucking blow me. You make it sound as if denouncing those bullshit ads was some sort of painful thing for Bush to do. Give me a break.Beowulf wrote:From Yahoo! News
Happy now, Kerry fanatics?By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer
CRAWFORD, Texas - President Bush (news - web sites) on Monday denounced campaign commercials aired by outside groups, including an ad that accuses John Kerry (news - web sites) of lying about his combat record in Vietnam.
"That ad and every other ad" run by such groups have no place in the campaign, Bush said when asked about the commercial sponsored by Swift Boat Veterans For Truth that has roiled the race for the White House. The group said it would not stop its new anti-Kerry ad, which will start running in three states this week.
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First of all, public figures in the US have almost zero chance of winning any kind of libel or slander action, no matter how much proof they have on their side. You might as well ask why Kerry doesn't challenge Numbnuts to a duel.Stormbringer wrote:What the hell do you want? Him to use an executive order to have them taken off the air? There's not a lot that Bush can do to have them stoped. If this is such slanderous crap then Kerry could take legal action to have them stopped; he's about the only one that can.Elfdart wrote:More smarmy bullshit from Dubya. Bush tried the dishonest trick of lumping the lies of the Swift Boat Scumbags with the true statements of other independent ads. The Swift Boat ads aren't wrong because they're allegedly "independent" of the parties (in fact the Republicans and Bush's campaign team have a hand in these, in violation of federal law) or the presidential campaigns. They are wrong because they are chock full of lies.
A lot of these independent ads are pure crap. This one's gaining a lot more attention just because the people involved and because Kerry hasn't done a whole lot but tout his war record.
If Dubya had any class (stop laughing, I mean hypothetically) he would do what Dukakis did when his supporters called George H. W. Bush a coward for bailing out of his plane and leaving his crew to die. He said there was no place in the campaign for that kind of garbage. He fired Donna Brazille from his staff for bringing up Jennifer Fitzgerald, who was supposedly Bush the Elder's mistress.
Cordier was only given the heave-ho because coordination between the campaigns and "independent" groups is illegal.
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wtf? Bush coming out and publicly denouncing the ads isn't good enough for you? You just had the Presiden and leader of the Republican party denounce the ads.... how can you have it any better?Wicked Pilot wrote:I'll wait for someone high up in the Bush camp to go on Fox News and critize the ads before I think anything of it.
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They ended a whole week ago, and all he could say is "I think they're bad for the system". He has to do better than that.Talon Karrde wrote:wtf? Bush coming out and publicly denouncing the ads isn't good enough for you? You just had the Presiden and leader of the Republican party denounce the ads.... how can you have it any better?
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Well, that's pretty weak. Bush comes out and denounces it and it's "just not good enough." Give me a break.Wicked Pilot wrote:They ended a whole week ago, and all he could say is "I think they're bad for the system". He has to do better than that.Talon Karrde wrote:wtf? Bush coming out and publicly denouncing the ads isn't good enough for you? You just had the Presiden and leader of the Republican party denounce the ads.... how can you have it any better?
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After a weeks consideration and advice, I've decided this is bad for the system.Talon Karrde wrote:Well, that's pretty weak. Bush comes out and denounces it and it's "just not good enough." Give me a break.
Stirring and inspirational kind of stuff.
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Yeah, I'm not claiming it's inspirational or any of that but he DID denounce it.Keevan_Colton wrote:After a weeks consideration and advice, I've decided this is bad for the system.Talon Karrde wrote:Well, that's pretty weak. Bush comes out and denounces it and it's "just not good enough." Give me a break.
Stirring and inspirational kind of stuff.
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He said they should be illegal! I-L-L-E-G-A-L!Wicked Pilot wrote:They ended a whole week ago, and all he could say is "I think they're bad for the system". He has to do better than that.Talon Karrde wrote:wtf? Bush coming out and publicly denouncing the ads isn't good enough for you? You just had the Presiden and leader of the Republican party denounce the ads.... how can you have it any better?
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Re: Bush Denounces Swift Boat Ad.
Eat a dick. Simply wanting people from one party to stop outright fucking lying about their opponent does not make one a fanatic.Beowulf wrote:From Yahoo! News
Happy now, Kerry fanatics?By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer
CRAWFORD, Texas - President Bush (news - web sites) on Monday denounced campaign commercials aired by outside groups, including an ad that accuses John Kerry (news - web sites) of lying about his combat record in Vietnam.
"That ad and every other ad" run by such groups have no place in the campaign, Bush said when asked about the commercial sponsored by Swift Boat Veterans For Truth that has roiled the race for the White House. The group said it would not stop its new anti-Kerry ad, which will start running in three states this week.
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I would be more than satisified if Bush came out and said something like "I think Kerry is a worthless left wing pussy who weaseled his way through the Senate, and if made president would turn our country into a bunch of pinko commies and UN whores. But he did earn his metals."
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In other words, run on his Senate record.Wicked Pilot wrote:I would be more than satisified if Bush came out and said something like "I think Kerry is a worthless left wing pussy who weaseled his way through the Senate, and if made president would turn our country into a bunch of pinko commies and UN whores. But he did earn his metals."
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ROFL!Glocksman wrote:In other words, run on his Senate record.Wicked Pilot wrote:I would be more than satisified if Bush came out and said something like "I think Kerry is a worthless left wing pussy who weaseled his way through the Senate, and if made president would turn our country into a bunch of pinko commies and UN whores. But he did earn his metals."
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