Muslims and thermonuclear fire *fap fap fap*

[AniThyng]

i would like to take the opportunity to remind certain trigger happy americans that not all muslims are islamofascists, and not all muslim countries are facist theologies - Indonesia and Malaysia come to mind, and of course there's Turkey-and what about all those small gulf states and kuwait, hm?

but fine, if it comes to pass that the USA's solution is to NUKE ALL OF US and obliterate EVERYONE - i have to say, you deserve all the terrorism you get.

i'm sure it's terrible to be forced to wear a burka and not be able to drive or whatever, as a saudi woman, but i think she will much rather do that then be outright killed in a nuclear blast.

[SirNitram]

Shep advocating mass murder to solve problems? NEVER! I refuse to believe it!

So what's your solution to solving the problem the Islamic world poses to
civilisation?

The same as is proposed to stop Christian Fundamentalism throwing us back into the Dark Ages, and the same thing that defeated that very foe a ways back. Improved living conditions, education, and discovery. Fighting fanatics makes them stronger.. But you're too stupid to have absorbed this concept.

Degan has said as much that they won't ever get democracy, Islam does
not permit it; the only true form of government is that ruled by sheriat
law, and we can see how nice that is, in both Iran since 1979 and in
Afghanistan under the Taliban.

Lying in a debate is considered bad form, Shep, and lying stupidly and openly is even worse. Degan has in fact said nothing of the sort; he's said you can't institute it with a gun. If we're holding him up as a source, he's stated(And been backed by several reputable sources) that Iran is.. Well on it's way to metamorphasizing into a democracy. Whoops. That kinda kills your insane idea that this won't ever fix itself.

I expect, however, you will pull a Scooter and start attacking the source you were trying to use in your lying.

Our presence in the Middle East, along with that of Israel is merely a convient
fig leaf that the islamofascists use; if we suddenly withdrew , and Israel disappeared
from the Earth, they'd celebrate for a week, before they started ranting against the
dedacadence of THE GREAT SATAN and how American companies like Pepsi-Cola,
or whoever the fuck is corrupting their countries, and preventing them from acheiving
the perfection of Sheriat law as put down in the Koran.

Oh look, something which has no basis in reality or historical precedent. Just the sort of thing we come to expect from fanatics who think in big explosions against THE HATED ENEMY.

And I do so love the way that Durandal and the like like to throw out the typical "there
are christian fundies too!" strawmen whenever someone talks honestly about how
fucked up Islamofascism is. Nevermind how people who bomb abortion clinics are
put on trial, and sent away to do hard time; yes, we must be a nation of christian fundies,
nevermind that Judge Moore lost his 10 commandments bullfuckery.

I thought the whole point of the fevered screeching was that these fanatics don't need a government's say-so and military power; if an Islamic nation declares war, NATO hits with you. I thought the big fear was terrorists, those that don't operate with their countries blessing, sort of like those fanatics you just mentioned...

Get set for changing of position, right here, folks.

Yes, Durandal, you're right about the evils of Christian Fundamentalism, we must find
and kill Jerry Falwell before he leads his army of fanatical followers onto Washington DC,
to kill all the heathens, and institutes a more perfect Christian government, which starts
with killing all the sodomites. Oh right, I'm sorry, such a thing has.......zero possibility of
ever happening.

Any Christian Theocracy starting here will come from folks like Bush changing things legally. Which is rather more scary; a mob descending on Washington can be shot. Legislators can't. But that doesn't bother you.

It's ironic, really. Shep shares so much in common with those he wants to nuke. Maybe that's why he wants to.

[The_Nice_Guy]

Most "hawks" are like that. They're pro-war in almost every circumstance.... provided that someone else (or someone else's children) does the fighting.

All you've proven are that the hawks are hypocrites. This is the ad hominem tu quoque fallacy, and it seems to be a very common tactic here.

The pro-war solution might still be the correct one.

TWG

[Kurgan]

I've seen the "nuke mecca to stop al qaeda" argument done before, needless to say that wouldn't solve a bloody thing, in fact it would make things far worse.

Not if you do a proper and full laydown. IE, remove the Muslim world
from the face of the earth. We certainly have the nuclear arsenal to
do it; it's just a matter of ruthlessness.

So you propose the slaughter of nearly a billion people??

[Keevan_Colton]

So you propose the slaughter of nearly a billion people??

Yep, and next week, in our guide to fixing social problems with force of arms we'll start on the topic of shooting the unemployed....

[SirNitram]

I've seen the "nuke mecca to stop al qaeda" argument done before, needless to say that wouldn't solve a bloody thing, in fact it would make things far worse.

Not if you do a proper and full laydown. IE, remove the Muslim world
from the face of the earth. We certainly have the nuclear arsenal to
do it; it's just a matter of ruthlessness.

So you propose the slaughter of nearly a billion people??

Not to mention nuke stretches of the USA. I do beleive that such would fall under 'High Treason' in this country.

[The_Nice_Guy]

Shep's solution is truly a final solution, but it behooves us to try other means first before pressing the button.

Anybody have ideas for stopping the march of Islamic Fundamentalism? The first step is to show them the futility of their beliefs, but until we control their educational systems and governments, it's unlikely.

The present plan sucks, I agree, but it's not as if there're many more options available. One alternative could have been to go after Saudi Arabia, which is the source for Wahabism, after all. However, the effects on the world economy of any conflict that disrupts the oil flow probably put the White House off this target.

TWG

[Kurgan]

Even from the most Machiavellian viewpoint, one would argue that the purposful murder of 1/6th the world's population with nuclear weapons is far more damaging to the human race and the world than allowing those nearly 1 billion to live and a tiny minority commit acts of "terrorism" and run oppressive governments.

It's like trying to solve your pet's flea problem with a daisy cutter bomb.

The fact is, with "our" nuclear arsenal, we can do far more evil than any "islamic menace" ever could, shows that we're more of a threat to the world than they are. Using that power to cause more pain and suffering than they ever could would just demonstrate this fact.

[Kurgan]

Not if you do a proper and full laydown. IE, remove the Muslim world
from the face of the earth. We certainly have the nuclear arsenal to
do it; it's just a matter of ruthlessness.

So you propose the slaughter of nearly a billion people??

Not to mention nuke stretches of the USA. I do beleive that such would fall under 'High Treason' in this country.

Good point. For a second I was drawn into the stupidity that Muslims only exist in the middle east. This clearly is an absurd argument...

[SirNitram]

Shep's solution is truly a final solution, but it behooves us to try other means first before pressing the button.

You're a flipping retard, same as him. If you nuke all the holy sites in the Middle East, you've just pissed off the rest of the billion muslims in the world, quite a few of which are in the US and will be quite in their means to start being the terrorists Shep jabbers about. Of course, nuking them as well means nuking population centres of the USA...

Anybody have ideas for stopping the march of Islamic Fundamentalism? The first step is to show them the futility of their beliefs, but until we control their educational systems and governments, it's unlikely.

Cause we know we had to wait until those secular nations took over before the Age Of Reason took Christian theocracies balls off! ...No, wait, we didn't. And we've seen quite well that taking control through force doesn't work. You retard.

The present plan sucks, I agree, but it's not as if there're many more options available. One alternative could have been to go after Saudi Arabia, which is the source for Wahabism, after all. However, the effects on the world economy of any conflict that disrupts the oil flow probably put the White House off this target.

TWG

Cause we all know the only solution is war, because you retards can't think for ten minutes.

[SirNitram]

Good point. For a second I was drawn into the stupidity that Muslims only exist in the middle east. This clearly is an absurd argument...

It's also the exact argument the fanatics Shep is wanting to eliminate use. After all, GREAT SATAN... Er.. ISLAMOFASCISTS are a threat to all ISLAMIC NATIONS... I mean, CIVILIZATION. We must destroy them all. Go my SUICIDE BOMBERS AND TERRORISTS... pardon, I meant NUCLEAR BOMBERS AND ICBMS.

[Stark]

Shep advocating mass murder to solve problems? NEVER! I refuse to believe it!

So what's your solution to solving the problem the Islamic world poses to
civilisation?

Shep, I'm not saying there isn't a problem; I'm just saying that murdering millions of people seems to be the only solution your interested in.

From a certain point of view, you're right: these people LIKE being the way they are, and sometimes that means they're vicious little ignorant savages. And yes, doubtless they WOULD do the same to you(us, whatever). But 'kill the lot of them' can't be the right answer.

And don't misunderstand me; this isn't a personal attack on you at all. Doubtless you've got your reasons, but for someone who just sees the 'nuke the bastards' posts, it seems a bit odd.

[Kurgan]

I'd respond to that, that a "civilization" that can only be 'saved' with such mass slaughter isn't a "civilization" worth saving.