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Elfdart · Post by **Elfdart** » 2004-08-23 08:07pm

There's a new book by Ian Williams, Deserter: George Bush's War On Military Families, Veterans And His Past. Do you think the so-called Liberal Media will give it the kind of coverage John O'Neil and Jerome "I Hate Jews and Muslims" Corsi got for their pack of lies? If not, why not?

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2004-08-23 08:09pm

Elfdart wrote:There's a new book by Ian Williams, Deserter: George Bush's War On Military Families, Veterans And His Past. Do you think the so-called Liberal Media will give it the kind of coverage John O'Neil and Jerome "I Hate Jews and Muslims" Corsi got for their pack of lies? If not, why not?

Perhaps because there aren't over 60 people who have come out publicly backing him up as the Swift Boat Vets did?

Elfdart · Post by **Elfdart** » 2004-08-23 08:15pm

But (1) those sixty have already been exposed as frauds and (2) not a single pilot from the Alabama Guard has come forward to say they saw Dubya attend. In fact, two have said categorically that he NEVER showed up.

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2004-08-23 08:19pm

Elfdart wrote:But (1) those sixty have already been exposed as frauds and (2) not a single pilot from the Alabama Guard has come forward to say they saw Dubya attend. In fact, two have said categorically that he NEVER showed up.

You claim they are frauds. Well, that's to be decided by the voter I suppose. And although the national guard story may be true, don't act like the liberal media (by this I point to print media) isn't using this same Swift Boat controversy for LIBERAL gain by blasting it and calling it all Bush's fault.

Boyish-Tigerlilly · Post by **Boyish-Tigerlilly** » 2004-08-23 09:17pm

ou claim they are frauds. Well, that's to be decided by the voter I suppose. And although the national guard story may be true, don't act like the liberal media (by this I point to print media) isn't using this same Swift Boat controversy for LIBERAL gain by blasting it and calling it all Bush's fault.

I like how you point to the overwhemlingly non-existent ueber liberal media.

Boyish-Tigerlilly · Post by **Boyish-Tigerlilly** » 2004-08-23 09:19pm

The Liberal Media paradigm doesn't always work just like an all conservative media paradigm doesn't work.

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2004-08-23 10:53pm

Hey, I'll be the first to admit FOX News is slanted towards the right. However, CNN, MSNBC, and all the major networks (ABC, CBS, NBC) and the works have their hosts such as Brokaw and family that are just as bad. However, those aren't the worst. I believe the worst form of bias is to be held in the print media. Almost every day I pick up a paper (any major paper) I can read a front paged story laced with subtle derogators comments directed towards Bush or Republicans.

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2004-08-23 10:53pm

Reading Al Franken now. He says that asking whether there is a liberal or conservative bias to the media is like asking whether al-Qaeda has too much oil in their hummus. The problem with al-Qaeda isn't the hummus. The problem is al-Qaeda wants us dea. Same with the media. The problem with mainstream media is not liberal or conservative bias, its a lot of other bias. Biases towards sensationalism, towards appeasing Rupert Murdoch, towards making money. News is not a priority in the media. So to answer your question, the media will cover it if their coverage will get them better ratings tahn covering the alternative.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-08-23 11:36pm

Talon Karrde wrote:You claim they are frauds. Well, that's to be decided by the voter I suppose. And although the national guard story may be true, don't act like the liberal media (by this I point to print media) isn't using this same Swift Boat controversy for LIBERAL gain by blasting it and calling it all Bush's fault.

The "liberal media" gave those ads free air time in all 50 states, and Kerry's poll numbers suffered visibly as a result of them. Wow, that liberal media is sure doing a good job of exploiting the Swift Boat controversy.

Dumb-ass.

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2004-08-23 11:40pm

As much as I dislike Al Frankton, that comment was quite lucid. Although I believe most media is slanted slightly left (with the exception of Fox News and talk radio), news programs now exist solely to make money. To do this, sensationalism is a sure-fire winner.

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2004-08-23 11:47pm

Durandal wrote:
Talon Karrde wrote:You claim they are frauds. Well, that's to be decided by the voter I suppose. And although the national guard story may be true, don't act like the liberal media (by this I point to print media) isn't using this same Swift Boat controversy for LIBERAL gain by blasting it and calling it all Bush's fault.
The "liberal media" gave those ads free air time in all 50 states, and Kerry's poll numbers suffered visibly as a result of them. Wow, that liberal media is sure doing a good job of exploiting the Swift Boat controversy.

Dumb-ass.

Dear God read my entire post, I'm referring to the print media as I stated. IN print media you can make a headline that shapes opinion, and many national papers did just that blasting Bush through it.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-08-23 11:51pm

Talon Karrde wrote:Dear God read my entire post, I'm referring to the print media as I stated. IN print media you can make a headline that shapes opinion, and many national papers did just that blasting Bush through it.

And this changes the fact that Kerry's poll numbers have been hurt noticeably as a result of the ads ... how?

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2004-08-23 11:52pm

Durandal wrote:
Talon Karrde wrote:Dear God read my entire post, I'm referring to the print media as I stated. IN print media you can make a headline that shapes opinion, and many national papers did just that blasting Bush through it.
And this changes the fact that Kerry's poll numbers have been hurt noticeably as a result of the ads ... how?

It doesn't. But don't act like it's all because a "conservative bias" is present. The bias goes both ways.

Boyish-Tigerlilly · Post by **Boyish-Tigerlilly** » 2004-08-24 12:20am

AL franken Rules

I like his idea of why there can't be a significant liberal bias in the media. THe paradigm just doesn't work

IF the media were dominated by liberals, the stories would be favoured in teh Liberal cateagory, and they would serve to aid liberals. If liberals are hurt by their criticism and their stories, then the purpose of the paradigm is off. Why would a liberal media NOT help, but hinder a liberal?

Also, Franken showed several examples of where the "liberal" media actually HELPED the conservatives. I forget teh exact percentatges. I think one was 40 % negative for the liberal, and only 28 % negative for the conservative.

I don't get why people make up the liberal biase stuff. IT is obvious that certain news stations have conservative bias, but the opposite isn't true.

As someone said earlier, soem might have some bias, but EVERY news station does, and the bias isn't uniformly liberal. They do things for many reasons.

Rupert Murdoch

Isn't the the guy who owns FOx and a host of other corporate provinces in his media Empire?

Glocksman · Post by **Glocksman** » 2004-08-24 12:36am

I don't get why people make up the liberal biase stuff. IT is obvious that certain news stations have conservative bias, but the opposite isn't true.

It depends upon the story. Like I've said before, just look at the gun issue. Almost all of the major national media outlets (not sure about FOX) are beating the drum for renewing the soon to expire AWB.

I've seen and read literally thousands of reports on guns and gun control from the national media (networks, Time, Newsweek, NTY, WashPost, etc) over the years and can count the neutral, factual reports on 2 hands and progun pieces on one hand. Almost every 'report' seems to quote the Brady assholes verbatim and treats their assertions as fact.

Also, when according to surveys, the great majority of journalists say they are liberal and vote Democrat, one suspects that the bias could reasonably exist.

Glocksman · Post by **Glocksman** » 2004-08-24 12:39am

There are exceptions of course.
John Stossel and Bernard Goldberg pop to mind.
However they would be the first to tell you that the are the exceptions, and that they are snubbed by their more liberal colleagues.

Boyish-Tigerlilly · Post by **Boyish-Tigerlilly** » 2004-08-24 05:50am

Also, when according to surveys, the great majority of journalists say they are liberal and vote Democrat, one suspects that the bias could reasonably exist.

What I find odd, then, is why does Franken refer to most journalists as economic conservatives? He gives his reasoning based on their payscale and possition in society. I don't know how that aids/hurts anything.

Boyish-Tigerlilly · Post by **Boyish-Tigerlilly** » 2004-08-24 05:51am

Edit: Position*

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2004-08-24 11:25am

Boyish-Tigerlilly wrote:
Also, when according to surveys, the great majority of journalists say they are liberal and vote Democrat, one suspects that the bias could reasonably exist.
What I find odd, then, is why does Franken refer to most journalists as economic conservatives? He gives his reasoning based on their payscale and possition in society. I don't know how that aids/hurts anything.

I would exactly call Al Franken an unbiased source.

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2004-08-24 11:34am

well, since I can't edit: The comment above, "I would exactly call Al Franken and unbiased source." should read "I WOULDN'T exactly call Al Franken and unbiased source."

DANG THE NO EDIT KEY!

Boyish-Tigerlilly · Post by **Boyish-Tigerlilly** » 2004-08-24 03:38pm

I would exactly call Al Franken an unbiased source.

Franken is pretty good, and he is doing what he does to make a point at how stupid some conservatives can be. Not all. If you can show me where he lies about their lies, ok. I will agree.

Other than that, he is pretty fair. He never says the left never lies (that i know of). He only points out the lying liars of the right.

Boyish-Tigerlilly · Post by **Boyish-Tigerlilly** » 2004-08-24 03:41pm

Then again, What source is 100% neutral? This is a problem. Person A uses a source, and other person denounces it is "biased," yet what are the sources you use? Godly sources?

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-08-24 03:43pm

Talon Karrde wrote:It doesn't. But don't act like it's all because a "conservative bias" is present. The bias goes both ways.

Hey retard, I never said that there was an omni-present conservative bias. I said that the idea of the entire media (or entire print media for that matter) being liberal is stupid.

Boyish-Tigerlilly · Post by **Boyish-Tigerlilly** » 2004-08-24 06:12pm

Hey retard, I never said that there was an omni-present conservative bias. I said that the idea of the entire media (or entire print media for that matter) being liberal is stupid.

dont you love when people misrepresent what you say?

Elfdart · Post by **Elfdart** » 2004-08-24 07:46pm

Boyish-Tigerlilly wrote:
Hey retard, I never said that there was an omni-present conservative bias. I said that the idea of the entire media (or entire print media for that matter) being liberal is stupid.
dont you love when people misrepresent what you say?

Happens to me all the time. It's sign that you've won, since they cannot or will not argue with the points you made, so they put words in your mouth and rebut them.

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