Coruscant Holocaust discussion

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-08-22 10:20pm

Has anyone read Star Wars: A New Hope Infinities?

This entire thread will be spoilers then, because of the ending to that comic.

STOP READING NOW IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SPOILED!

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Okay, now that that's done...

You'll recall that at the end Yoda (in an effort to kill Palpatine, which he apparently succeeds in doing) rams the fully intact Death Star 1 into the Imperial Palace.

Now obviously this comic "didn't happen" but I'd be curious as to the damage this incident would have done to the planet. First off, how did he get through the shields? I forget if it's stated that he mind tricked shield control or he just "pushed through" the shields or snuck through an opening for some other ship or something (he fought the Imperial sector fleet and won apparently, with a massive surprise attack on a group of ISD's).

Anyway, so the 160 km (or 120 km if you go by "official" figures) station rams the Imperial Palace at, I'm guessing "full sublight." Not sure if shields on the DS1 are up or down.

How many deaths? Enough force for a mass extinction event?

Just how much mayhem did that little green jerk cause to nail the wrinkled old prune?

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2004-08-22 10:31pm

whats full sublight? my understanding of space acceleration is there is no topspeed.

and, call it a hunch, but a 120km impact generally kills a planet.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-08-22 10:43pm

160 is now the official diameter of DSI.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2004-08-22 11:11pm

My brain are poured out from reading summary of Infinities. Me no able to talk good much moreany. Not believe story could actually exist, it so dumb.

COOOOOOOKIEEEEE!!!!

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2004-08-22 11:15pm

Isn't crashing a Death Star into a planet.... evil? Yoda just killed millions of innocent people! HE was the real threat all along, not Palpy!

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-08-22 11:24pm

The energy release on impact of that much mass (assuming a probably conservative velocity of 20 km/s, and assuming conservatively an iron sphere 99.9% empty) should be nearly at the 1e9 megaton threshold, bare minimum - and it could easily be several times greater.

Momentum-wise, again assuming the above we're talking something on the order of e20 kg*m/s.

In other words, that should EASILY be an extinction-level event just based on kinetic energy from the impact alone.

Note that while the energy threshhold is probably not enough to overcome shielding, its quite probable that the momentum is sufficiently great to do so (and remember that even if the asteroid is stopped or deflected, the momentum of the impact on the shields has to go somewhere, so we could still expect to see side effects.)

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-08-23 12:22am

Stark wrote:Isn't crashing a Death Star into a planet.... evil? Yoda just killed millions of innocent people! HE was the real threat all along, not Palpy!

Not millions, hundreds of trillions.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2004-08-23 01:40am

Joe wrote:Not millions, hundreds of trillions.

Damn. Looks like Yoda really botched that one.

Couldn't he have just slagged Imperial City with the DS's turbolasers? Please keep in mind I have never read this comic, so I'm not aware of the full extent of this situation.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-08-23 02:13am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:160 is now the official diameter of DSI.

Since when?

Ignoring all the non canon official tech manuals which ALL SAY 120 KILOMETERS...StarWars.com says:

Height:
120 kilometers in diameter

for the first DS, and

Height:
160 kilometers in diameter

for the second.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/locati ... index.html

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-08-23 02:17am

The OT ICS says 160 for DSI, and the OT ITW says more than 900 for DSII.

The Databank is often hideously outdated and run by Paoblo Hidalgo, who despises rational thought.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2004-08-23 02:18am

Well, the size for the second DS is definitely off by about 740km of its Canonical size.

EDIT: Mother beat me to it, with sources to boot. Tough shit, I guess.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2004-08-23 02:52am

Joe wrote:
Stark wrote:Isn't crashing a Death Star into a planet.... evil? Yoda just killed millions of innocent people! HE was the real threat all along, not Palpy!
Not millions, hundreds of trillions.

I was being deliberately conservative. There's probably billions of people just in the DS, and as you say the death toll on Imperial Center could be extremely high. I imagine DS would hit going pretty fast, too.

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2004-08-23 03:04am

Was there a reason for him to do this? It seems like causing a mass extinction on a planet with hundreds of trillions of civilians is...whats the word...stupid. Talk about a PR clusterfuck, it would take the very best O'Reilian spinsters to turn that fiasco into a 'good move' for the Rebellion.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-08-23 05:38am

18-Till-I-Die wrote:Was there a reason for him to do this?

The Infinities series have been consistently shit. ANH has Yoda causing genocide. ESB has a retarded fight between Vader and Yoda. ROTJ has Han going blind thanks to carbonite freezing... and Vader turning into the Rebellion's White Knight.

So in short, no. There was no reason for Yoda to cause mass extinctions on the galaxy's most populous planet. Bravo ANH infinities. Bravo.

*clap* *clap*

President Sharky · Post by **President Sharky** » 2004-08-23 02:31pm

Why the fuck didn't he just use the goddamned SUPERLASER to blow the planet up? That way he wouldn't have trashed the perfectly fine Death Star.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-08-23 02:49pm

Maybe he didn't have complete control of the ship, and just sabotaged it?

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2004-08-23 03:09pm

Nah, he'd used the superlaser to toast the dozens of Executors in orbit of Coruscant beforehand, and probably didn't have enough energy charged up to reliably punch through Coruscant's shields.

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2004-08-23 04:32pm

As big as the Death Star is it must have, what, millions of turbolasers. Just muscle through the shield and blast the citidel with a few thousand gigatons worth of plasma bolts.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-08-23 04:54pm

Praxis wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:160 is now the official diameter of DSI.
Since when?

Ignoring all the non canon official tech manuals which ALL SAY 120 KILOMETERS...StarWars.com says:

Height:
120 kilometers in diameter

for the first DS, and

Height:
160 kilometers in diameter

for the second.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/locati ... index.html

Pablo's repitition of debunked and contradicted information in an attempt to prove his life does have some worth to it nonwithstanding, more recent publications and the movies show 160 km and 900 km for each death star.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-08-23 05:15pm

Since the ICS:OT says the DS is 160 km, and ITW:OT says that DS2 is 900km, Pablo is fucked up.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-08-24 07:26pm

So in other words the whole SW Databank can be taken with a grain of salt (if it wasn't being already that is)?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-08-24 09:22pm

Kurgan wrote:So in other words the whole SW Databank can be taken with a grain of salt (if it wasn't being already that is)?

Only on the things that are hidiously out of date and because it's updated so slowly.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-08-24 10:27pm

No, it can also be taken with a grain of salt because Pablo Hidalgo is a lazy asshole with an agenda. He's responsible for such hits as copying the stats from the Immobiliser 418 verbatim to the Leviathan of KoTOR. Not to mention his interestingly slanted preview of ItWoCSW.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-08-25 11:29am

I wondered why some of it was goofy, so now you're saying it was by design, rather than simple incompetence... is that better?