I've heard of partisan, but this is just silly

[Bugsby]

Assemblyman Paul DiGaetano is tucking bottles of W Ketchup in delegates' goodie bags. Entrepreneurs dreamed up the new condiment as an alternative for Republicans who can't bring themselves to buy Heinz, what with John Kerry, the husband of ketchup heiress Teresa Heinz Kerry, heading the Democratic ticket. DiGaetano slapped a sticker of his own on the back promoting his gubernatorial candidacy.

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I ask you: Where will it all end?

[SirNitram]

Assemblyman Paul DiGaetano is tucking bottles of W Ketchup in delegates' goodie bags. Entrepreneurs dreamed up the new condiment as an alternative for Republicans who can't bring themselves to buy Heinz, what with John Kerry, the husband of ketchup heiress Teresa Heinz Kerry, heading the Democratic ticket. DiGaetano slapped a sticker of his own on the back promoting his gubernatorial candidacy.

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I ask you: Where will it all end?

In about fifty years, when the USA collapses due to years of ass-fucking itself in the name of repressive policies and stupidity, leading the first world into a dark age.

That's in jest for the more slow among the posters.

[Korvan]

Their loss. I've never found a brand of ketchup as tasty as Heinz. I hate going into a restaurant, ordering a burger and fries only to discover that they only have some bargin brand of ketchup.

[Glocksman]

It's just as stupid as 'Freedom Fries' or boycotting French's mustard.

Teresa Heinz Kerry has nothing to do with the day to day operations of the company and the company itself is pretty apolitical.

OTOH, there are companies whose products I will not purchase because of the company's political contributions and stances.

For instance, Schnucks Markets contributed heavily to try and defeat the recent passage of CCW in Missouri.

I now shop elsewhere for groceries.

[Gil Hamilton]

I'm sure they are aware that the Heinz that the company was founded and is named after was a Republican congressman, right?

[Stormbringer]

I'm sure they are aware that the Heinz that the company was founded and is named after was a Republican congressman, right?

Nope, which makes it all the stupider.

[frigidmagi]

Instead of doing something constructive... Let's get pissy about brand names!!!

These are the guys in charge to... And folks wonder why I worry.

[Talon Karrde]

It does however seem very hypocritical that John Kerry speak so vehemently against outsourcing jobs when his millions come directly from that.

[Iceberg]

It does however seem very hypocritical that John Kerry speak so vehemently against outsourcing jobs when his millions come directly from that.

Um, what the hell? Are you going to bring up that "Heinz factories around the world" bullshit again?

[Talon Karrde]

It does however seem very hypocritical that John Kerry speak so vehemently against outsourcing jobs when his millions come directly from that.

Um, what the hell? Are you going to bring up that "Heinz factories around the world" bullshit again?

Sorry, I must have missed this debate. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten me? I thought it was pretty much a no-brainer that there were Heinz factories outside the U.S. And if this is true, regardless of whether his wife or him have direct control over it, isn't a bit hypocritical when their money comes from that enterprise?

[Iceberg]

It does however seem very hypocritical that John Kerry speak so vehemently against outsourcing jobs when his millions come directly from that.

Um, what the hell? Are you going to bring up that "Heinz factories around the world" bullshit again?

Sorry, I must have missed this debate. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten me? I thought it was pretty much a no-brainer that there were Heinz factories outside the U.S. And if this is true, regardless of whether his wife or him have direct control over it, isn't a bit hypocritical when their money comes from that enterprise?

No, and here's why:

Heinz sells food products all over the world. I know it's a shock to you to learn that there's a "world" outside of North America, but there is. And some of these places are very far from North America - up to about oh, 12,000 miles or so (20,000 kilometers or so). So what makes more sense, you tell me: Shipping a bottle of ketchup six thousand miles from (say for the sake of example) Ohio to put it on a restaurant table in Berlin, or building a factory in say Vienna and shipping it a couple hundred miles?

[Talon Karrde]

Um, what the hell? Are you going to bring up that "Heinz factories around the world" bullshit again?

Sorry, I must have missed this debate. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten me? I thought it was pretty much a no-brainer that there were Heinz factories outside the U.S. And if this is true, regardless of whether his wife or him have direct control over it, isn't a bit hypocritical when their money comes from that enterprise?

No, and here's why:

Heinz sells food products all over the world. I know it's a shock to you to learn that there's a "world" outside of North America, but there is. And some of these places are very far from North America - up to about oh, 12,000 miles or so (20,000 kilometers or so). So what makes more sense, you tell me: Shipping a bottle of ketchup six thousand miles from (say for the sake of example) Ohio to put it on a restaurant table in Berlin, or building a factory in say Vienna and shipping it a couple hundred miles?

And I suppose all of the companies also outsourcing jobs ONLY sell products exclusively in the U.S.?

[Elfdart]

Assemblyman Paul DiGaetano is tucking bottles of W Ketchup in delegates' goodie bags. Entrepreneurs dreamed up the new condiment as an alternative for Republicans who can't bring themselves to buy Heinz, what with John Kerry, the husband of ketchup heiress Teresa Heinz Kerry, heading the Democratic ticket. DiGaetano slapped a sticker of his own on the back promoting his gubernatorial candidacy.

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I ask you: Where will it all end?

In about fifty years, when the USA collapses due to years of ass-fucking itself in the name of repressive policies and stupidity, leading the first world into a dark age.

That's in jest for the more slow among the posters.

Wanna borrow my disclaimer? *

[Iceberg]

Sorry, I must have missed this debate. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten me? I thought it was pretty much a no-brainer that there were Heinz factories outside the U.S. And if this is true, regardless of whether his wife or him have direct control over it, isn't a bit hypocritical when their money comes from that enterprise?

No, and here's why:

Heinz sells food products all over the world. I know it's a shock to you to learn that there's a "world" outside of North America, but there is. And some of these places are very far from North America - up to about oh, 12,000 miles or so (20,000 kilometers or so). So what makes more sense, you tell me: Shipping a bottle of ketchup six thousand miles from (say for the sake of example) Ohio to put it on a restaurant table in Berlin, or building a factory in say Vienna and shipping it a couple hundred miles?

And I suppose all of the companies also outsourcing jobs ONLY sell products exclusively in the U.S.?

Would that herring be red? Why I believe it would. So sorry, try again.

[Alyrium Denryle]

What really gets me is that Kerry's tax hike that will only hurt "the wealthiest 1%" (I could be wrong, hey may have changed his tax policy since the last time i became to disgusted to listen to him speak) will actually hurt the fial consumer.

You see, when the government raises taxes on businessmen and businesses(a corporation is a legal person, hence double taxation, one income tax for the company, one for the owners shareholders etc) in order to make the same profit, the company will increase prices. This forces the consumers to pay more for their goods and servces, then they demand higher wages, which force increased prices... yeah you see where i am going with this... It is the same reason that unions are bad if they arent actually fighting abuse and simply pressuring for wages higher than the market price for their occupation(it is why Safeway for example has higher prices than say,Wal-Mart, because safeway is unionized)

But I digress, and Bush is just as bad, but in a different sense.

[Iceberg]

You see, when the government raises taxes on businessmen and businesses(a corporation is a legal person, hence double taxation, one income tax for the company, one for the owners shareholders etc) in order to make the same profit, the company will increase prices. This forces the consumers to pay more for their goods and servces, then they demand higher wages, which force increased prices... yeah you see where i am going with this... It is the same reason that unions are bad if they arent actually fighting abuse and simply pressuring for wages higher than the market price for their occupation(it is why Safeway for example has higher prices than say,Wal-Mart, because safeway is unionized)

And because Wal-Mart abuses its workers (see: mandatory unpaid (not just no-time-and-a-half but "you have to clock out and work two extra hours") overtime, see also: firing workers for taking sick time or injury time), and because it abuses the supply chain by using its ridiculous leverage to force suppliers to sell directly to them rather than through wholesalers.

But I digress, and Bush is just as bad, but in a different sense.

And I suppose you're going to vote for his lying ass anyway.

[Iceberg]

In late 2003, the company undertook an unusual step after failing to gain the support of the Inglewood, California City Council for a proposed development of a supercenter. The council had cited a wide range of concerns, including traffic, the environment, labor practices, and public safety. In response, Wal-Mart obtained the signatures of thousands of voters, forcing the council to call a special election. The resulting 71-page measure, Initiative 04-A, asked voters to allow the company to create its supercenter and a collection of chain shops and restaurants on a sixty-acre parcel near Hollywood Park Racetrack. The proposal exempted the company from all of Inglewood's planning, zoning and environmental regulations. The special election was held April 7, 2004; by a 60-40 margin the Wal-Mart proposal was defeated.

Right here.

Fixed quoting.
-Your Friendly Neighborhood Rampant AI

[Bugsby]

You see, when the government raises taxes on businessmen and businesses(a corporation is a legal person, hence double taxation, one income tax for the company, one for the owners shareholders etc) in order to make the same profit, the company will increase prices. This forces the consumers to pay more for their goods and servces, then they demand higher wages, which force increased prices... yeah you see where i am going with this... It is the same reason that unions are bad if they arent actually fighting abuse and simply pressuring for wages higher than the market price for their occupation(it is why Safeway for example has higher prices than say,Wal-Mart, because safeway is unionized)

This sounds wrong to me. According to this logic, all taxes are bad. If the hit the "supply side," prices go up. If they hit the "demand side," prices stay low, but people can't pay those prices because they are being taxed too heavily. Taxes change prices. Thats a fact. So who would you rather tax? The people with billions who will just barely be able to afford that new summer home in the Hamptons? Or the people with a few thousand who will just barely be able to afford food and clothing for their family? To me, that's pretty clear. To others, not so much.

[Talon Karrde]

No, and here's why:

Heinz sells food products all over the world. I know it's a shock to you to learn that there's a "world" outside of North America, but there is. And some of these places are very far from North America - up to about oh, 12,000 miles or so (20,000 kilometers or so). So what makes more sense, you tell me: Shipping a bottle of ketchup six thousand miles from (say for the sake of example) Ohio to put it on a restaurant table in Berlin, or building a factory in say Vienna and shipping it a couple hundred miles?

And I suppose all of the companies also outsourcing jobs ONLY sell products exclusively in the U.S.?

Would that herring be red? Why I believe it would. So sorry, try again.

On the contrary. You bring up a point that states Heinz sells to other countries, thus, they should be allowed to make factories in other countries. I bring up the point that other companies do the same thing, yet are blasted by the Kerry administration and blamed on Bush, yet they sare somehow unrelated? Give me a break. Instead of crying fallacy and hiding behind it, confront the point.

[Darth Wong]

On the contrary. You bring up a point that states Heinz sells to other countries, thus, they should be allowed to make factories in other countries. I bring up the point that other companies do the same thing, yet are blasted by the Kerry administration and blamed on Bush, yet they sare somehow unrelated? Give me a break. Instead of crying fallacy and hiding behind it, confront the point.

Hey genius, why don't you go to the bank, take out a loan, and buy a fucking clue? The identification of a fallacy in a point renders the point invalid. You can't say someone has failed to confront a point when he has identified fallacious logic in it, so either show that it is not fallacious or concede.

PS. Heinz would be outsourcing (in the perjorative sense being currently employed in the political arena) if it makes ketchup in third-world countries and then ships it back to the US for sale. If it makes ketchup in third-world countries and then sells it in those third-world countries rather than shipping it back here, that's a different scenario. So one could resolve this issue by trying to determine whether Heinz makes enough ketchup domestically to cover domestic demand. Not that I necessarily agree with Kerry's tirades against outsourcing, since the only way to stop it is massive trade protectionism which will hurt everybody.

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

This whole ordeal reminds me of when Jon Stewart asked Kerry "Is it true that every time I use Heinz Ketchup, your wife gets a nickel?" while interviewing him.

I think all of this "W Ketchup" stuff is stupid and nonsensical, but I guess that they have the right to do what they're doing, since freedom of stupidity is guaranteed by the Constitution. And if someone wants to eat "Ralph Nader's Green Beans" instead of "Bush's Baked Beans", or "O'Reilly-O's" instead of "Franken Berry" cereal because they honestly think that they would otherwise be helping the other side, then they should be allowed to do that, but shouldn't be suprised if everyone thinks that they're an idiot.

[Talon Karrde]

On the contrary. You bring up a point that states Heinz sells to other countries, thus, they should be allowed to make factories in other countries. I bring up the point that other companies do the same thing, yet are blasted by the Kerry administration and blamed on Bush, yet they sare somehow unrelated? Give me a break. Instead of crying fallacy and hiding behind it, confront the point.

Hey genius, why don't you go to the bank, take out a loan, and buy a fucking clue? The identification of a fallacy in a point renders the point invalid. You can't say someone has failed to confront a point when he has identified fallacious logic in it, so either show that it is not fallacious or concede.

PS. Heinz would be outsourcing (in the perjorative sense being currently employed in the political arena) if it makes ketchup in third-world countries and then ships it back to the US for sale. If it makes ketchup in third-world countries and then sells it in those third-world countries rather than shipping it back here, that's a different scenario. So one could resolve this issue by trying to determine whether Heinz makes enough ketchup domestically to cover domestic demand. Not that I necessarily agree with Kerry's tirades against outsourcing, since the only way to stop it is massive trade protectionism which will hurt everybody.

Where's the falacy Mike? Want to show it to me? Look at what I said in the last point and try to get beyond your frickin bias. No, I don't suppose that's possible.

Explain to me how they are not related! If other companies do the same thing, and are criticized, why not Heinz as well?

[Darth Wong]

I can imagine quite a few Republicans angrily buying some other brand of ketchup at the local grocery store, taking it home, discovering that it doesn't taste as good as Heinz, and switching back. Political activism has its limits, and I believe those limits do not include crappy ketchup.

[Talon Karrde]

I can imagine quite a few Republicans angrily buying some other brand of ketchup at the local grocery store, taking it home, discovering that it doesn't taste as good as Heinz, and switching back. Political activism has its limits, and I believe those limits do not include crappy ketchup.

Yeah, and boycotting Heinz is going to do nothing in the first place, so whats the point?

[Darth Wong]

Where's the falacy Mike? Want to show it to me? Look at what I said in the last point and try to get beyond your frickin bias. No, I don't suppose that's possible.

You don't understand, moron. I did not even say whether there was a fallacy or not, in case you do not understand the English language (and it appears you do not). What I said is that you cannot dismiss a rebuttal by saying that the opponent is hiding behind an accusation of a fallacy. You must show how it is NOT a fallacy.

Explain to me how they are not related! If other companies do the same thing, and are criticized, why not Heinz as well?

See above and read my previous post again, since it's quite clear that you're one of those people who just barely skims through a post and then fires off a response without thinking. I already explained how you could answer this question, but you were apparently too busy having PMS and throwing a hissy-fit.