Yay? SW DVD related.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-08-26 10:35pm

Oh yipee.

Well I suppose some people will be pleased these films are making it onto a DVD release.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-08-27 12:17am

Caravan of Courage received an international theatrical release and was subsequently broadcast on U.S. television in 1984, followed by its sequel, The Battle for Endor, which aired in 1985.

Wait, so the Ewok Adventure was shown in theaters? So it's CANON like the films??

[Keanu]Whoa[/Keanu]

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-08-27 12:18am

No, they're still EU (although very high), because they were shown only on TV in the US. And that's really all that counts: what's done in the country of origin.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-08-27 12:28am

I hated the second Ewok film, even as a kid. They killed Mace. Fuck them.

Super-Gagme · Post by **Super-Gagme** » 2004-08-27 12:59am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:No, they're still EU (although very high), because they were shown only on TV in the US. And that's really all that counts: what's done in the country of origin.

That's retarded. Seriously. Star Wars, if I'm not mistaken, was filmed more out of the US than in it, and with a majority of non-US actors. But yes, I can see how US is the country of origin...

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-08-27 01:33am

Super-Gagme wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:No, they're still EU (although very high), because they were shown only on TV in the US. And that's really all that counts: what's done in the country of origin.
That's retarded. Seriously. Star Wars, if I'm not mistaken, was filmed more out of the US than in it, and with a majority of non-US actors. But yes, I can see how US is the country of origin...

It was an American production. Where and with whom a film is made doesn't matter compared to it's actual country of origin.

Would you consider the first three Alien films to be British films because they were filmed in the UK with mostly British crew and occasionally casts? No, because they were producted by an American company.

So it's not really so retarded after all.

Super-Gagme · Post by **Super-Gagme** » 2004-08-27 02:35am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Super-Gagme wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:No, they're still EU (although very high), because they were shown only on TV in the US. And that's really all that counts: what's done in the country of origin.
That's retarded. Seriously. Star Wars, if I'm not mistaken, was filmed more out of the US than in it, and with a majority of non-US actors. But yes, I can see how US is the country of origin...
It was an American production. Where and with whom a film is made doesn't matter compared to it's actual country of origin.

Would you consider the first three Alien films to be British films because they were filmed in the UK with mostly British crew and occasionally casts? No, because they were producted by an American company.

So it's not really so retarded after all.

What's retarded is claiming that country of origin has some bearing on canon status, simply because they didn't think a theatrical release would be worth it in US. How does that define canon? You do not write canon Spanky. No matter how much you always claim to do, in every canon question post you reply to.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-08-27 02:39am

Canon status of entries such as those depend on whether they were originally shown theatically or on television. The theatrical films are canon, while the TV movies and shows are EU. The fact that in some foriegn countries the TV movies were shown in theatres is inconciquential.

Don't be so fucking confrontational. I'm not assuming some kind of "I Declare Such, So It Be Fact" position in these things. So back off.

Super-Gagme · Post by **Super-Gagme** » 2004-08-27 02:44am

Alright fine, but could you atleast tell me where the policy was set that only the country of productions media releases defined canon? Because this is new to me.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-08-27 02:46am

Deductive reasoning. It makes sense to organise entries into the canon hierarchy based on how they were released in their native country.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-08-27 11:21am

Super-Gagme wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Super-Gagme wrote: That's retarded. Seriously. Star Wars, if I'm not mistaken, was filmed more out of the US than in it, and with a majority of non-US actors. But yes, I can see how US is the country of origin...
It was an American production. Where and with whom a film is made doesn't matter compared to it's actual country of origin.

Would you consider the first three Alien films to be British films because they were filmed in the UK with mostly British crew and occasionally casts? No, because they were producted by an American company.

So it's not really so retarded after all.

What's retarded is claiming that country of origin has some bearing on canon status, simply because they didn't think a theatrical release would be worth it in US. How does that define canon? You do not write canon Spanky. No matter how much you always claim to do, in every canon question post you reply to.

Sort of like Brown's argument about the spelling of lightsaber (lightsabre)?

I was half-joking anyway, but I was surprised to learn that one of the Ewok films was shown in theaters, BEFORE it was shown on TV. So using the phrase "the films are the highest canon" would seem to include this, if used without qualification.

If nothing else, I would think this would place the first Ewok Adventure on a higher level than most, if not all other EU barring some official contradictory statement from the creators.

saethar · Post by **saethar** » 2004-08-27 09:45pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Super-Gagme wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:No, they're still EU (although very high), because they were shown only on TV in the US. And that's really all that counts: what's done in the country of origin.
That's retarded. Seriously. Star Wars, if I'm not mistaken, was filmed more out of the US than in it, and with a majority of non-US actors. But yes, I can see how US is the country of origin...
It was an American production. Where and with whom a film is made doesn't matter compared to it's actual country of origin.

Would you consider the first three Alien films to be British films because they were filmed in the UK with mostly British crew and occasionally casts? No, because they were producted by an American company.

So it's not really so retarded after all.

Or would you consider the Harry Potter films to be UK or US? They are written, directed, produced, and cast almost 100% brits (note: the cast is 100% brits, thats why spielberg turned down the position of director) and are not filmed in the US - and was even had theatrical releases in the UK before the US. Now despite all this they are listed as US films because WB bought the license and has production company credits.

Star Wars on the other hand was written/directed etc by an American, stared a mixed cast and had US theatrical releases prior to other countries.

Saethar

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-08-27 09:53pm

Are you directing that towards me or Gagme?

saethar · Post by **saethar** » 2004-08-27 10:17pm

Just more information to help establish a concensus. Whether one agrees with the idea of it or not the facts support your side of the arguement.

Saethar

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-08-27 10:26pm

Isn't Spanky arguing that Caravan of Courage shouldn't be considered a "film" because it wasn't shown in US theaters, but only "international" ones (where it premiered), and then on TV in the US?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-08-27 10:42pm

Kurgan wrote:Isn't Spanky arguing that Caravan of Courage shouldn't be considered a "film" because it wasn't shown in US theaters, but only "international" ones (where it premiered), and then on TV in the US?

No.

Don't put words in my mouth or add your slant to my arguments.

My position is this:

Episodes I-VI: produced and distributed as theatrical feature films in country of origin.

Caravan of Courage and Battle for Endor: produced and distributed as made-for-television movies in country of origin.

Theatical films are canon.

Television productions are EU.

Variations and differences within the international television and cinema markets compared to that of the country of origin have no impact whatsoever in classification of canon status.

Tychu · Post by **Tychu** » 2004-08-28 01:42am

Vympel wrote:I hated the second Ewok film, even as a kid. They killed Mace. Fuck them.

Oh thanx i have to say i never saw the second one, i have the first taped on really old VHS

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2004-08-28 04:15am

Actually, it doesn't matter where it was filmed. George Lucas himself directed a large portion of one of the Ewok movies.

While I think they suck, they do have some merit in continuity.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-08-28 12:11pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:snip

Understood. You're saying it doesn't count as film canon because it wasn't released in the US that way. Is that a good way to sum it up?

Gah, another nitpick I thought of. Aren't the DVD versions of the films considered "more canon" than the theatrical films? Since so far they've all shown to have added new/modified footage (well okay, AOTC didn't, it was the same as the version shown on digital screens in select theaters)?

I mean, isn't the whole deal supposed to be about "how George Lucas sees the films today"? Perhaps this Holocron thingy is a better way to think of things after all. There's too many what-if's otherwise.

But then, if Lucas did the story-writing for one or both Ewok films, would that make it G-level canon? I wonder what they have said/will say about that...

I've always wanted to say that the Ewok films are EU, straight up, but with all the definitions out there and their seeming inadequacy, it becomes tricky...

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-08-28 12:35pm

Kurgan, stop dragging this out.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-08-28 12:38pm

You keep doing this to me, as if once you've spoken, all discussion should end. I played along with it this time, I'm now talking about a related issue.

Is that okay, or do I have to stop when you say to stop?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-08-28 12:53pm

No, you just really need to stop dragging this kind of shit out. You ALWAYS fucking do this shit, and I can't see it as anything more than you having your own little fucking agenda.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-08-28 01:05pm

Not to drag THIS out, but what's wrong with that? Everybody has an agenda of some sort. I mean, why can't I have an opinion and talk about it on forums such as these?

And by talking to me, you're just keeping it alive anyway. I don't have a problem with it, but you seem to. So... what's the point, anyway?

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-08-30 05:40pm

Tychu wrote:
Vympel wrote:I hated the second Ewok film, even as a kid. They killed Mace. Fuck them.
Oh thanx i have to say i never saw the second one, i have the first taped on really old VHS

Really? Then you missed Wilfred Brimley and his crack-addicted ewok buddy. It was about as fun as it sounds.