Fucking Religious Luddite Zealot Terrorists strike again!

[Cairber]

Just out of curiosity, what more should local clergymen do? Im not saying they do enough, I was just curious as to what ideas people had about that. When Dr Slepian was sniped in his own kitchen with family watching (only 5 doors down from my house...) our local parish held an event to raise money for his family and worked with a local school to start a scholarship fund in his name. Are these the type of things you would like to see from more parishes after horrible events like this? Or other things?

[RedImperator]

Just out of curiosity, what more should local clergymen do? Im not saying they do enough, I was just curious as to what ideas people had about that. When Dr Slepian was sniped in his own kitchen with family watching (only 5 doors down from my house...) our local parish held an event to raise money for his family and worked with a local school to start a scholarship fund in his name. Are these the type of things you would like to see from more parishes after horrible events like this? Or other things?

Doing nice things for the family is, well, nice, but they need to come down, hard, on the people who are doing this. Their condemnation, at least from what I've heard and read, is never as strong as that they use for the people who do horrible things who also disagree with the church. I've yet to hear a preacher promise that God will punish those who murder in the name of life.

EDIT: And make no mistake, blowing up a research lab is murder even if nobody gets killed. Every day's delay, every dollar wasted on security instead of science, every investor scared away, means people will suffer and die unnecessarily while they wait for a cure these Luddite theocrat fucks are trying to prevent.

[Rogue 9]

Just out of curiosity, what more should local clergymen do? Im not saying they do enough, I was just curious as to what ideas people had about that. When Dr Slepian was sniped in his own kitchen with family watching (only 5 doors down from my house...) our local parish held an event to raise money for his family and worked with a local school to start a scholarship fund in his name. Are these the type of things you would like to see from more parishes after horrible events like this? Or other things?

Doing nice things for the family is, well, nice, but they need to come down, hard, on the people who are doing this. Their condemnation, at least from what I've heard and read, is never as strong as that they use for the people who do horrible things who also disagree with the church. I've yet to hear a preacher promise that God will punish those who murder in the name of life.

How hard is hard? While tempting, I don't think you mean this needs to descend to vigilanteism, and maybe I've just been lucky but I've never had a pastor who wouldn't preach against this sort of thing as a perversion of Christ's message and a vile crime against man.

[Darth Wong]

How hard is hard? While tempting, I don't think you mean this needs to descend to vigilanteism, and maybe I've just been lucky but I've never had a pastor who wouldn't preach against this sort of thing as a perversion of Christ's message and a vile crime against man.

I'm waiting to hear one say that the people who do such things are going to Hell, but of course, we won't hear anyone say that.

[Cairber]

I heard an entire homily about how taking a life, in any form, will land you in hell after slepian was killed. It began "We believe in natural conception to natural death; let me explain to all of you what that means." Ill never forget that one. I dont know about the parishes around the places where other autrocities have occured, but I know that I heard that homily. I dunno, but Im def curious to hear from anyone else who has had their parish community affected by something like this. Lot of peple are betting that no priest would say anything, but I know that Mnsr defintely addressed the issue in a strong way. But it seemed to me that you guys wanted something outside of the parish.

[Darth Wong]

I heard an entire homily about how taking a life, in any form, will land you in hell after slepian was killed. It began "We believe in natural conception to natural death; let me explain to all of you what that means." Ill never forget that one. I dont know about the parishes around the places where other autrocities have occured, but I know that I heard that homily. I dunno, but Im def curious to hear from anyone else who has had their parish community affected by something like this. Lot of peple are betting that no priest would say anything, but I know that Mnsr defintely addressed the issue in a strong way. But it seemed to me that you guys wanted something outside of the parish.

What I want is what won't happen, either from Islam or from Christianity. You see, both religions have the same problem: the moderates decry the actions of the extremists, but not their motivations. In both cases, the moderates go on and on and on and on endless and in public and in various venues and at considerable expense to spread a message that there is an enemy out there, it's destroying their values, their entire way of life is under threat, there's a cloud gathering on the horizon, a constant struggle between Satan and the Light, etc.

And then they turn around and say "but we're peaceful and we don't think you should fight back against this horrible evil." Well sorry, but that doesn't cut it, nor does it remove blame. Consider this analogy: if you ran around for decades spending millions of dollars to promote the message that all Jews were fucking scumbag murderers who were destroying your very way of life, should you be fucking surprised when someone takes your message as an incitement to do violence against Jews? Even if you tack on "but we don't believe in violence" at the end of that message?

Make no mistake, it is the rhetoric of mainstream Christianity which drives extremists to act. They're merely taking the hate being spewed from the pulpit and acting on it instead of wringing their hands and waiting for God to smite his enemies himself.

[Cairber]

I suppose one parish really cant do justice to what needs to be done to chance the way people act on their beliefs. I dont think anyone would listen even if moderate catholics and their parishes spoke out publically about the issue. If I were a fundy, I would probably have already blocked out the "moderates." I have never gotten into a discussion with a fundy before (really i think ive learned more about their stances on things from this board than anything), but I think if I ever did, they would just ignore whatever I had to say like my Jehovah's witness cousins do. And I gave up trying to reason with them a long time ago...