Man sets marine van on fire...

[Dennis Toy]

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Yeah Bush, you did this you delusional imperial asshole.

[Rogue 9]

Yeah Bush, you did this you delusional imperial asshole.

Actually, I'm pretty sure the man burning the van did it.

[Dennis Toy]

it was figurative, stating this was all bush's fault for going to a useless war with no reason.

[Mange]

it was figurative, stating this was all bush's fault for going to a useless war with no reason.

Not all people agree that the war in Iraq was useless. I feel sorry for the man (and for all parents in all countries in the coalition who lost their son or daughter), but perhaps the future of Iraq can be better. Now that al-Sadr is disarmed, perhaps the sunni and shia muslims and the other ethnic groups (Syriacs, turks etc) in Iraq can start working together to rebuild their country. I for one am glad that Saddam Hussein's crazy sons didn't inherit leadership and that Saddam himself will face trial. That would never had happened if the US, the UK and the rest of the coalition haven't acted. That's why I can't understand the people that shouted in the streets, and countries (such as my country, Sweden) didn't have the guts to take a firm stand against the mass murderer Saddam Hussein.

[Durandal]

it was figurative, stating this was all bush's fault for going to a useless war with no reason.

Not all people agree that the war in Iraq was useless. I feel sorry for the man (and for all parents in all countries in the coalition who lost their son or daughter), but perhaps the future of Iraq can be better. Now that al-Sadr is disarmed,

And up for political office instead of an execution.

perhaps the sunni and shia muslims and the other ethnic groups (Syriacs, turks etc) in Iraq can start working together to rebuild their country. I for one am glad that Saddam Hussein's crazy sons didn't inherit leadership and that Saddam himself will face trial. That would never had happened if the US, the UK and the rest of the coalition haven't acted. That's why I can't understand the people that shouted in the streets, and countries (such as my country, Sweden) didn't have the guts to take a firm stand against the mass murderer Saddam Hussein.

Uh huh, sure. They'll all start working together. Are you insane?

[Talon Karrde]

Just more B.S. These parents act like their kids are innocent victims. They SIGNED UP! There was no draft! It was their choice! Dear God, it seems people forget when they sign up for their college money by enlisting they could conceivably go to a war. ::GASP!:: A war?!? And I'm in the military?!? Does this mean I might have to fight?!? Well, yes, it does Sherlock!

[Seggybop]

They sort of expected when they joined that if they were going to be sent to fight, it would be to defend their country from a legitimate threat...

[Talon Karrde]

They sort of expected when they joined that if they were going to be sent to fight, it would be to defend their country from a legitimate threat...

That's no excuse. You sign up, you might have to fight. They still liberated a people, an honorable cause. The excuse you give them is no excuse, they are at the discretion of the service as a whole.

[Mange]

it was figurative, stating this was all bush's fault for going to a useless war with no reason.

Not all people agree that the war in Iraq was useless. I feel sorry for the man (and for all parents in all countries in the coalition who lost their son or daughter), but perhaps the future of Iraq can be better. Now that al-Sadr is disarmed,

And up for political office instead of an execution.

perhaps the sunni and shia muslims and the other ethnic groups (Syriacs, turks etc) in Iraq can start working together to rebuild their country. I for one am glad that Saddam Hussein's crazy sons didn't inherit leadership and that Saddam himself will face trial. That would never had happened if the US, the UK and the rest of the coalition haven't acted. That's why I can't understand the people that shouted in the streets, and countries (such as my country, Sweden) didn't have the guts to take a firm stand against the mass murderer Saddam Hussein.

Uh huh, sure. They'll all start working together. Are you insane?

Well, perhaps I'm not insane, but a bit naïve. I have a strong belief in humanity. Although the situation seems a bit chaotic right now, it doesn't have to be that way if the various religious leaders could urge their respective followers to look forward instead of backward and also to push for what's best for the entire country and not just themselves. Sure, the shiites were suppressed during the reign of Saddam Hussein, but now that time is passed.

[Mr Bean]

Not all people agree that the war in Iraq was useless. I feel sorry for the man (and for all parents in all countries in the coalition who lost their son or daughter), but perhaps the future of Iraq can be better. Now that al-Sadr is disarmed,

And up for political office instead of an execution.

perhaps the sunni and shia muslims and the other ethnic groups (Syriacs, turks etc) in Iraq can start working together to rebuild their country. I for one am glad that Saddam Hussein's crazy sons didn't inherit leadership and that Saddam himself will face trial. That would never had happened if the US, the UK and the rest of the coalition haven't acted. That's why I can't understand the people that shouted in the streets, and countries (such as my country, Sweden) didn't have the guts to take a firm stand against the mass murderer Saddam Hussein.

Uh huh, sure. They'll all start working together. Are you insane?

Well, perhaps I'm not insane, but a bit naïve. I have a strong belief in humanity. Although the situation seems a bit chaotic right now, it doesn't have to be that way if the various religious leaders could urge their respective followers to look forward instead of backward and also to push for what's best for the entire country and not just themselves. Sure, the shiites were suppressed during the reign of Saddam Hussein, but now that time is passed.

Their leaders are also morons on a colossal scale, if they acutal wanted power and rule over the country, then they are shooting themselves in the head by rebeling aginst the American provisional goverment

Seriously, based on what the Iraq insurgants have demostrated so far how long do you think the interm Iraq goverment could hold up if they wanted the two years Bush called for in his origonal outline

We would have been leaving a relativly peaceful country to much fanfar and we did it screw you UNism and lo and behod two months later our Iraq concile would get blow up/shot/killed and a few weeks later the country is in Saddam loyalist hands or in the hands of a puppet goverment of Iran

[Pu-239]

Just more B.S. These parents act like their kids are innocent victims. They SIGNED UP! There was no draft! It was their choice! Dear God, it seems people forget when they sign up for their college money by enlisting they could conceivably go to a war. ::GASP!:: A war?!? And I'm in the military?!? Does this mean I might have to fight?!? Well, yes, it does Sherlock!

Wouldn't everyone act that way? Emotional trauma does not leave room for cold logic.

[The Cleric]

Just more B.S. These parents act like their kids are innocent victims. They SIGNED UP! There was no draft! It was their choice! Dear God, it seems people forget when they sign up for their college money by enlisting they could conceivably go to a war. ::GASP!:: A war?!? And I'm in the military?!? Does this mean I might have to fight?!? Well, yes, it does Sherlock!

Wouldn't everyone act that way? Emotional trauma does not leave room for cold logic.

Then why is this the first time it's happened? I don't think he was the first father to be told that his son had died in Iraq.

[Seggybop]

They sort of expected when they joined that if they were going to be sent to fight, it would be to defend their country from a legitimate threat...

That's no excuse. You sign up, you might have to fight. They still liberated a people, an honorable cause. The excuse you give them is no excuse, they are at the discretion of the service as a whole.

Obviously, they agreed to do it and thus are required to follow through. But I don't really care that much about such legal obligations. I don't think too many people signed up for the military only so that they could mindlessly fulfill the orders of our great leader (though I'm sure a few of those exist). They did it with the impression that when you join the US Military, when they send you to fight you fight to defend the US. I understand that they have to go through with it regardless, but I don't think this is what the military is supposed to be doing and I don't think the soldiers did either when they signed up.

[Pu-239]

Just more B.S. These parents act like their kids are innocent victims. They SIGNED UP! There was no draft! It was their choice! Dear God, it seems people forget when they sign up for their college money by enlisting they could conceivably go to a war. ::GASP!:: A war?!? And I'm in the military?!? Does this mean I might have to fight?!? Well, yes, it does Sherlock!

Wouldn't everyone act that way? Emotional trauma does not leave room for cold logic.

Then why is this the first time it's happened? I don't think he was the first father to be told that his son had died in Iraq.

The refusal to accept, not the van burning.

[Talon Karrde]

They sort of expected when they joined that if they were going to be sent to fight, it would be to defend their country from a legitimate threat...

That's no excuse. You sign up, you might have to fight. They still liberated a people, an honorable cause. The excuse you give them is no excuse, they are at the discretion of the service as a whole.

Obviously, they agreed to do it and thus are required to follow through. But I don't really care that much about such legal obligations. I don't think too many people signed up for the military only so that they could mindlessly fulfill the orders of our great leader (though I'm sure a few of those exist). They did it with the impression that when you join the US Military, when they send you to fight you fight to defend the US. I understand that they have to go through with it regardless, but I don't think this is what the military is supposed to be doing and I don't think the soldiers did either when they signed up.

Why give them a cop out? The fact is simple, they signed up, they may have to go to war. That should be understood when you sign up.

[Glocksman]

While the father perhaps overreacted somewhat, he was under the extreme stress of being told that his son had died! I can understand that stress somewhat.

The day after my mother died of cancer 4 years ago, we (my sisters and I) went to the cemetery where her parents were buried to buy a plot. The salesman quoted us a price of $1000 for a plot of groud 20 feet from their graves until we asked him if there was a closer one because we wanted to put her next to her parents.

The motherfucker thought for a second and said 'No, and I made a mistake. The plot is $1500'.

I had perhaps an hour's sleep that night, I was in perhaps the most stressed out. emotionally drained time of my adult life, and I was legally carrying a gun.

I never ever wanted to actually kill another human being until that moment, but instead I turned and walked away to the car and waited for my sisters.
They later told me that my face turned white and I started to move my hand towards my right hip before I spun around to leave.

I barely managed to keep control, but I can understand how some people couldn't in such situations.

This doesn't excuse him of responsibility, but it does provide a mitigating factor as grieving fathers often don't think clearly.

He has my sympathies.

[Talon Karrde]

While the father perhaps overreacted somewhat, he was under the extreme stress of being told that his son had died! I can understand that stress somewhat.

The day after my mother died of cancer 4 years ago, we (my sisters and I) went to the cemetery where her parents were buried to buy a plot. The salesman quoted us a price of $1000 for a plot of groud 20 feet from their graves until we asked him if there was a closer one because we wanted to put her next to her parents.

The motherfucker thought for a second and said 'No, and I made a mistake. The plot is $1500'.

I had perhaps an hour's sleep that night, I was in perhaps the most stressed out. emotionally drained time of my adult life, and I was legally carrying a gun.

I never ever wanted to actually kill another human being until that moment, but instead I turned and walked away to the car and waited for my sisters.
They later told me that my face turned white and I started to move my hand towards my right hip before I spun around to leave.

I barely managed to keep control, but I can understand how some people couldn't in such situations.

This doesn't excuse him of responsibility, but it does provide a mitigating factor as grieving fathers often don't think clearly.

He has my sympathies.

I can understand that making sense. What would be interesting to see is what the man says later, whether he was angry about the war, or just angry that his son was killed.

[Keevan_Colton]

I can understand that making sense. What would be interesting to see is what the man says later, whether he was angry about the war, or just angry that his son was killed.

Or both, remember it isnt mutually exclusive.

[Shroom Man 777]

Well...at least the Corps understands and has the decency of not pressing charges. Poor guy.

[Sharp-kun]

Wouldn't everyone act that way? Emotional trauma does not leave room for cold logic.

They have my sympathy, but I still get annoyed by some of the silly comments I see in the media like "Why didn't Blair send his sons?!". Obvously because they didn't join the army.