Would a Sith be able to take over Arnolds Job in T2

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-19 06:47pm

Lemme handle this

not sure why the force mind trick would work on a t-1000

NOT T-1000, The Jedi Mind Trick is going to be used AGINST him not on him
Jedi Mind Trick Example
Sith-*Waves Hand Look a Crimrial type and he has a gun
*Mind Tricked Cop-Uhhhh(Starts shooting T-100o)
Remeber this is a Sith Lord we are talking about he won't care jack squat about Bystanders and probably would use them as living Armor if he needed

speculation, with no supporting evidence anywhere

How about T-1000 is a robot, Robots use energy, an overlod of energy damages robots in 100% of Sci-Fi's
The question is would ELECTRICAL energy work on him
If he is Indeed Liquid metal this sure as hell will, However if his acutal whatever Command systems are damaged by THIS type of energy is another story, If it does not at all say hurt him thats still by the LAWS OF PHYICS gonna stop him for a few seconds while he de-goos around whatever contact the electrical energy is entering him(So either no affect besidse minor slow down or just like as if he was dunked in magma, whichever)

Thats just a few advantages, how about the fact that it doesn't get tired, and never sleeps? Or how about it can group bullets in a tight pattern when firing a hand gun at very fast speeds, or a machine gun from a helicopter, thats moving, aswell as a moving truck, and still group bullets in a small area? It has the advantage, that it can drive every vehicle and operate every weapon, and most importantly, it doesn't slip up from exhaustion of a battle, (Jin getting exhausted after a 30 second figth with maul, he didn't slip up, but he was panting

Red Herring we are talking about Maul not Jin WTFC if Jin gets tired, Maul never slowed down
As for grouping the shots it does not matter it makes it EVEN easer for Maul to stop as Lightsabers have width, heck if he shoots 50 times in the same spot Maul does not have to move at all
So what if it does not get tired or never sleeps, theres lots of ways to get around that, Heck we don't know how much sleep Maul's Race needs

This force user is still humanoid, and it only takes 1 mistake, 1 trip, 1 wrong turn, and it just takes a single bullet, maybe when he's taking a piss, or a big shit, the t-1000 will decide to walk into the house/room with a minigun.

Realy? A Mini-Gun, Funny acutal thats even easier, Sure it shoots fast but agian, same place, same spot, lightsaber munchs it up

You seem to assume like the Movie Maul will run around for a few days, But buddie thats not Mauls Style
In your face, First fight is the big one(Unless YOU run away, Maul chases after him)

Agian the fight is up in the Air untill we know if T-1000 can some-how replace its lost substance that the Lightsaber will be slicing up

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-07-19 08:14pm

People are forgetting, the Sith will NOT have a light saber. He has to come back naked like everyone else.

Moonstone Spider · Post by **Moonstone Spider** » 2002-07-19 08:19pm

I don't buy the argument that projectile weapons won't work on Jedi because nobody bothers to use them. That's very bad trekkie-style logic on the same level as "If they don't have transporters they won't be able to defend against them." The fact is Energy weapons weigh less and carry far more rounds in a smaller space, thus for most combat purposes a blaster is far superior. In all the trillions of citizens of the Galaxy there are what, 10,000 Jedi (and that drops to 4 counting Sith pretty soon) so most fighters aren't even going to consider a Jedi showing up, it would be too rare to bother lugging a 12lb machine gun and 20lbs of bullets around when a 4lb pistol and 2 lb energy pack give you just as many shots with far more power. Until we have some proof that a Jedi can actually deflect physical objects moving many hundreds of times faster than we've ever seen them deflect an object, a shotgun is going to remain the ultimate anti Jedi Weapon.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-19 09:11pm

Shot-Guns Yes
As for Deflecting DFR and TLC showed that Jedis can deflect many incoming small objects but they have a set limit, Anything over ten-twenty is *to much for look(CB tosses 50-80 rocks at them, Burries them in rocks, Force throws them at them even takes down a ship *nearly just using Rocks

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-19 10:48pm

Of course he could. Telekinetic powers are superior to the weapons that were available to any combatant in the movie, and would allow the Sith Lord to destroy the T-1000. Although liquid metal is VERY cool, I don't think that it would prevent a Sith lord from destroying it, and I am not convinced that the T-1000 would be able to kill a Sith Lord.

I am also unconvinced that a Sith Lord would accept the assignment. PROTECTING some little brat?

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2002-07-20 12:02am

Realy? A Mini-Gun, Funny acutal thats even easier, Sure it shoots fast but agian, same place, same spot, lightsaber munchs it up

i'll reply to this, bean, it will help cover the other things you brought up about bullets aswell,

Well, if the minigun fires off 4000 rounds a minute, and fires them at 3000 fps,
thats 66 bullets a second, say the distance is 100 meters, thats about 1 bullet every 5 miliseconds, thats only a 1 second burst, when have we ever seen a terminator shoot for 1 second? no
he'd be mowing down walls, chunks of concrete and morter mixed with super heated gas from the bullets would be exploding around the sith like fire works, burning his flesh, while shrapnel goes flying towards john conner, and the sith, this is rediculous,

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2002-07-20 02:39pm

Omega-13 wrote:
Well, if the minigun fires off 4000 rounds a minute, and fires them at 3000 fps,
thats 66 bullets a second, say the distance is 100 meters, thats about 1 bullet every 5 miliseconds, thats only a 1 second burst, when have we ever seen a terminator shoot for 1 second? no
he'd be mowing down walls, chunks of concrete and morter mixed with super heated gas from the bullets would be exploding around the sith like fire works, burning his flesh, while shrapnel goes flying towards john conner, and the sith, this is rediculous,

And just when did we see the T-1000 use anything bigger than a handgun? All he used was the pistol and that small automatic wepon, he could have easily picked up the shotgun after beating up Arnie , or any of the weapon from the police officers at the Cyberdyne building, but he didn't.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-20 02:50pm

Yes thats another-point where pray tell is Mr T-1000 gonna get said Mini-Gun, Hell might as well give him an Apachi Helicopter and be done with it

Mini-Guns are not somthing found on the side of the street you know...

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2002-07-20 07:09pm

And just when did we see the T-1000 use anything bigger than a handgun? All he used was the pistol and that small automatic wepon, he could have easily picked up the shotgun after beating up Arnie , or any of the weapon from the police officers at the Cyberdyne building, but he didn't.

your right, he isn't qualified to use any other form of weapon, he used the handgun because it allowed him to fit into the characters he used, such as a police officer and security officer, he used stealth more, and it worked well. He didn't pick up the shotgun because he didn't have bullets for it, arnold had all the bullets,
he had the machine gun, and used it well, hit Sara Conner in the leg

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2002-07-20 07:10pm

Mr Bean wrote:Yes thats another-point where pray tell is Mr T-1000 gonna get said Mini-Gun, Hell might as well give him an Apachi Helicopter and be done with it

Mini-Guns are not somthing found on the side of the street you know...

no true they aren't, but there are high powered machine guns that are readily available,
but you did dodge my points about a sith blocking the minigun,

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-20 07:21pm

The point is Omega I don't have Maul coming into the fight with an ISD and a tatical Nuclear strike backing him up simply because its very unlikley that he would be able to get ahold of either thing to use aginst T-1000 just like T-1000 is not like to get ahold of a Mini-Gun or an RPG so it does not matter if he can't dodge it if he's not gonna be facing it

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EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2002-07-21 06:10am

I wasn't sure, so I looked it up. The Terminator 3 is out in novelization, ("T-2, Infiltrator" by S.M. Sterling, www.HarperCollins.com) soon to be a movie. The screenplay is written, a budget aproved, production??(one good Arnold, 1 bad Arnold, and 1 third newer type, a true cyborg. Female!)The T-1000 was vulnerable to EMP, to the point where it is less effective than the Arnold type, when expected. Instant goo, total system failure, no reboot.
I still maintain that high current electricity is deadly as well. ARC WELDER!
As for the sith mind tricks, you are confusing telpathy with the green lightning of death. The last time I checked, telpathic attack didn't BURN you, making you SMOKE. A clear indication of heat being applied. Changing my mind and buring my skin are BOTH in the arsenal of the sith. Along with that telekinetic muscle.
Laws of physics.
Electromagnetic ac fields induce current, causing HEAT.
By the way, put a strong em field near the cpu of your computer, and see what it does to the accuracy and speed of said cpu. If it doesn't outright fry it.
Once again, for the simple minded, or conclusion driven. Heat kills all electrical systems, by changing the resistance of ALL metals. Conductors become resistors. Get it hot enough to generate plasma, and it becomes a very good conductor whatever iv was before. A small cloud of plasma will short circuit ALL it is in contact with. Semiconductors become insulators. Ionizing radiation kills ALL electronics, by setting up strong capacitance fields in ALL metal separated by insulators thus changing impedance, capacitance, and transistor functions. The smaller the curcuitry, the MORE vulnerable it is.The liquid nature of our friend shows that he is made of VERY small pieces indeed!
What kind of cicuitry is this thing made of that changing resistance, capacitance, impedance and transister amplification values won't bolix the whole lot?
As for what 'nator is made of, he's only from 15 years in the future tech base MAXIMUM.
Nanites controling liquid crystals is the most likely, but not the only explanation for OBSERVED behaviour, with no fundamental NEW tech base. Nanites are REAL. They just don't do as much now, (or ever, ala borg)as they can. Very small pumps and motors are all we can make NOW. In 5-15 years?
I will concede there is no proof he's nanites. He damn sure doesn't have force fields holding his shape, unless you are going to invent some new tech base out of thin air.
I will not concede that enough electrical or magnetic energy will not knock his dick in the dirt. Our nator friend must be made of matter, and have a finite failure temp, and vapourising temp.
One last simple test. Open your compuer and randomly inject low voltage ac signals into the cpu terminals and see if it passes the smoke test. Not a valid analogy? Our nator friend must be using some form of information processing, even if it's distributed. No info processing, no "thinking". This info processing is being done electronicaly, unless you want to create some new tech base.
If you want to bend the rules to suit your outcome, out nator friend could travel to russia, get a black market nuke, and kamikazi.
Ah, but then the ionizing radiation from the nuke would most likely shut him down, if he caried it too long.
Better stick with the Apatche. Easier to steal.