Most "Macho" former US President

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2004-09-02 04:39am

just comparing an contrasting

George Washington: over 6 feet tall, and one bad ass military officer, in a day when people were very short....

Andrew Jackson: Faught Duels, beat the shit out of his attempted assassins.

Grant: Alcoholic Hell raiser, and damn proud of it.

Teddy Roosevelt: Talks softly and carried a big stick, and it takes more then a bullet to kill a bull moose.

Ike: supreme commander

Kennedy: PT 109, and catching more tail then Shaft.....

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-09-02 05:51am

IIRC after Lincoln's Innaguation, the party at the white house was so wild, White House staff filled a bathtub with booze and left it on the front lawn to get the drunken partygoers out.

Still, i vote Teddy Rosevelt. He was just badass.

Spice Runner · Post by **Spice Runner** » 2004-09-02 10:32am

My vote goes to Teddy Roosevelt. He charged into battle personally leading the roughriders during that war in 1898. That guy kicked ass before he was president and he continued kicking ass while he was president.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-09-02 11:59am

I would call Jackson our only truly evil president, more than anything else. Teddy Roosevelt was the most "macho." As far as I can tell he actually defines what it is to be macho in America.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2004-09-02 12:21pm

Hmm, TR would take my vote. Although Jackson was pretty high up...all except that little part about Indian relocation.

Bertie Wooster · Post by **Bertie Wooster** » 2004-09-02 12:37pm

Teddy Roosevelt by far. While making a speech he was shot, but delivered his speech to its end before departing.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2004-09-02 01:07pm

actually he was shot while making speach 1
traveled to town for speach 2

continued making speach 2 for well over two hours.
then went to the hospital where they left the bullets inside him.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2004-09-02 01:33pm

TR, then Jackson.

Fun Fact, when Jackson was leaving the Capital for some reason, an assassain ran up and pulled a pistol opn him.

*click*

pulled backuop pistol

*click*\

Jackson chased assassain down the street, beat shit out of him. Police had to pull him off.

CJvR · Post by **CJvR** » 2004-09-02 03:03pm

Shouldn't Bush Senior be there as well? IIRC he was a naval aviator during the war.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2004-09-02 03:06pm

Wikipedia wrote: Assassination attempt

On January 30, 1835 an unsuccessful assassination attempt against Jackson occurred in the United States Capitol. This was the first assassination attempt against an American President. While Jackson was leaving a funeral, a mentally ill man named Richard Lawrence came up to him and fired a pistol at point-blank range. The pistol misfired, and before anyone could react, Lawrence pulled another pistol and it too misfired. Instead of running or taking cover, President Jackson proceeded to beat the man over the head with his cane. A print of the assassination attempt (http://teachpol.tcnj.edu/amer_pol_hist/ ... il141.html) made 20 years later became quite popular because it shows the aging president boldly confronting his attacker.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-09-02 03:58pm

CJvR wrote:Shouldn't Bush Senior be there as well? IIRC he was a naval aviator during the war.

Bush Part One is a goddam WASP and was less "macho" than his wife. The Air Force and Naval Aviation are, together, the second least macho branch of the armed forces--behind the Coast Guard.

Flying planes in combat (especially from carriers) is an incredibly dangerous enterprise requiring immense amounts of skill, daring, and intelligence, but it isn't macho. Machismo, for one, can't be intelligent. It is governed by the cojones, not the brain. Machismo is defined by stupid shit like charging the enemy firing line, picking fights with people bigger than you, shooting dumb animals, and having lots of unprotected sex.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2004-09-02 04:04pm

And Kennedy only get's in for having more unprotected sex then a rodent

Lord Woodlouse · Post by **Lord Woodlouse** » 2004-09-02 04:21pm

Everything I've heard or read in the past indicates Teddy.

Didn't Washington never actually win any of his engagements?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-02 05:47pm

Lord_Woodlouse wrote:Didn't Washington never actually win any of his engagements?

Yorktown. *Slap*

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-09-02 06:03pm

definitely TR. i wouldn't really say kennedy was 'macho' per se, depending on what type of sense you're talking about. sure, he got lots of tail, but he seems more of a pretty boy than a macho type imo.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2004-09-02 06:31pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Lord_Woodlouse wrote:Didn't Washington never actually win any of his engagements?
Yorktown. *Slap*

Quoted, because that was so funny I crapped my pants!!!

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-09-02 07:17pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Yorktown. *Slap*

Washington won that one thanks to a French fleet blockading the port, 7800 French troops (about half his force), Cornwallis' unaccountably stupid decision to abandon his redoubts, and a dreadfully simple plan of attack. [the extent of Washington's tactical genius was setting up artillery positions around the perimeter of the town and watching them blow stuff up.]

The best military victories that Georgie boy can boast was his surprise attacks on Christmas and then slapping around poor farmers after the Revolutionary War. He gets a tremendous amount of undeserved credit for winning the war, when his primary achievment was managing not to lose.

There were reasons that Benedict Arnold turned traitor--viz. everybody said "Washington is so dreeeeaaammmy, and he's winning the war." When in fact it was largely Arnold's efforts at Ticonderoga, Lake Champlain, and Saratoga that motivated the sending of French aid and thus allowed the war to be won. I think the entire reason that Washington is so fondly remembered is that he was fabulously rich and extremely tall, and thus left a strong impression on his contemporaries.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-02 07:22pm

I know the conditions under which Washington won Yorktown, but he still won it.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2004-09-02 07:23pm

Rogue 9 wrote: Yorktown. *Slap*

That was more down to the Frogs, in that their navy was key to the plan and that they more or less had to force Washington into it, of course that could be said for the entire revolution.

Washington was a good leader of men (or rather popular at least) but his military ability left a lot to be desired (which was true of a number commanders at the time).

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-09-02 07:37pm

Rogue 9 wrote:I know the conditions under which Washington won Yorktown, but he still won it.

And I beat my nephew at checkers all the fucking time. But that's not because I'm good at checkers, it's because he's eight.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2004-09-02 08:37pm

I'd have to say Andrew Jackson. Not only did he constantly get into fights and duels, he frequently cheated in them to win.

My US History teacher told us a story about one duel that he got into. After some drinking, he picked a fight with a person in a bar and challenged him to a pistol duel, only to find out to his dismay that the person was an expert marksman. The guy was known for getting shitfaced and hanging up whiskey bottles then shooting the cord they were hanging from.

So that night, before the duel, he went and bought a shirt that was much too big for him. The shirt was large enough that it didn't turn with him really well. So when the duel started he turned so that he was sideways to the other duelist but because of how he was standing and his massive oversized shirt, the guy aimed for Jackson's certain of mass and merely gave him a glancing blow across the chest. Then Jackson took his time and shot him, killing the other duelist.

Cyborg Stan · Post by **Cyborg Stan** » 2004-09-03 01:58am

From what I know, Teddy Roosevelt. I've actually read parts of an autobiography of his when I was in 8th grade.

From what I remember of his part about war, he apparently thought that it was good clean excersize that was good for the spirit.

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2004-09-03 11:19am

Teddy Roosevelt, the supreme masculine role model, could swim up and down the Potomic river then go home and read a 700 page book.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2004-09-03 12:57pm

I feel like I'm 'me too-ing' here, but Teddy Roosevelt wins, hands down.

Modern Presidents go to Camp David to unwind, but TR goes to Yosemite, Yellowstone, and other newly declared National Parks to hunt bear and elk.

Now that's roughin' it