STGOD 4 OOC Thread (part 2)

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-02 03:51pm

Howewe about we do what wee did when the Mad Bomber hit me in STGOD2? Say teh bomb goes off, but it isn't nearly as devastating as he posts. The government building's facade is damaged, and a half dozen senators and a couple score bystanders and guards are killed.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-09-02 03:52pm

Perhaps that should be left up to Aly?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-02 03:54pm

The bystanders... yes... The senators... no. Because they are still in a massive cavern beating their heads into a wall as Senator falco reads the fucking bible

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-09-02 03:56pm

the fucking bible

The fucking Bible?!? I've never heard of that book, there really is a bible for everything now huh? Is it like the Karma Sutra or what?

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-02 03:56pm

Having some senators die adds flavor, doesn't heavily (or even noticeably) harm you, and acknowledges the fact that Beowulf DID use his entire OOB of force against you.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-02 03:59pm

Thirdfain wrote:Having some senators die adds flavor, doesn't heavily (or even noticeably) harm you, and acknowledges the fact that Beowulf DID use his entire OOB of force against you.

Dude... he bombed in the wrong location... Um... he can kill the senator's families... but the senators are in a completly different location... If we have any sense of timeline at all, it hasnt been 6 days

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-09-02 04:01pm

Hotfoot wrote:
Beowulf wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:ANd you autoed my customs officer, so he couldt arrest you, and you werent exactly forthcoming with the capabilities of a DC converter. That whole year between its last use, and hundreds of pages of posts... thing
And the "Lasts the lifetime of the bike" wasn't a huge tip-off that it could give alot of power?
"Lasts the lifetime of the bike" simply means an efficient, long lasting power source. The power units on our modern satellites easily outlast the other components, but that doesn't mean they can create Nuclear Explosions (no matter what the woo-woo's said about the satellite we dumped into Jupiter).

To address both you and Aly...

A satelite's power source isn't designed to release all the power at once. And most satelites only last for a decade, with low power demands. Something capable of (admittedly slow) global travel would require a vastly larger amount of power, and an air bike would last a rather long time. Cars are designed to last for decades.

Did I say anything about rechargeable batteries? No? Well then. And what use would specifing fuel loads be?

As for the action itself. I told Aly that I was going to be doing death and destruction on Varathrax, before I even wrote the post about me showing up. Yes, he should have caught it. Did he? no. He told me that everything I brought would go through customs. I acquiesed. He should have tried looking at what I was bringing in! If he had questions, he certainly could have asked me what was up. Instead, he wrote a totally bullshit post that would have tried to catch me after I did my deed. And then he let me continue my plotting. It was obvious that I was going to be using the power cores to create big booms, because I posted that I was modifying them. Nobody brought it up then, asking what's up. And of course, nothing smaller than the bike would have managed to fit the cores in it anyway.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-09-02 04:03pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:Having some senators die adds flavor, doesn't heavily (or even noticeably) harm you, and acknowledges the fact that Beowulf DID use his entire OOB of force against you.
Dude... he bombed in the wrong location... Um... he can kill the senator's families... but the senators are in a completly different location... If we have any sense of timeline at all, it hasnt been 6 days

Between when I dropped the bomb on your HQ, at least enough time must have passed for the various nations to respond to the Etern's take-over, asking for represntatives, and the representatives to show up, from across known space, which is a week long journey.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-09-02 04:03pm

Since it is a filibuster, some of the senators would have just left the cavern because they don't have the inclination to wait around that shit and will return when he finishes. That's one of the reasons that a filibuster is performed--eventually the senators with less endurance or patience will leave and the party of the guy doing the filibuster will achieve of majority of those available for a vote. They then railroad the issue through.

So, I'm thinking an improvised chemical bomb that damages the facade and kills some senators and innocent bystanders. Given Alyrium's crazy "nice-guy libertarian" society there wouldn't be common-sense regulations in place to prevent the sale of potential explosives to random people. No invasion of privacy will be allowed, by jingo!

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2004-09-02 04:03pm

Beowulf; all things aside. Can I ask you how a device that converts matter to energy direction is within the tech limit? None of this "Well I already said so, and you didn't see it, ha ha".

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-02 04:03pm

Oh, come on. The entire fillibuster senator thing is patently ridiculous, and, with travel times out to Etern space, 6 ddays is not at all a poor indicator of how nlong it's been since our little argument on the Senate floor.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-02 04:05pm

As for the action itself. I told Aly that I was going to be doing death and destruction on Varathrax, before I even wrote the post about me showing up. Yes, he should have caught it. Did he? no. He told me that everything I brought would go through customs. I acquiesed. He should have tried looking at what I was bringing in! If he had questions, he certainly could have asked me what was up. Instead, he wrote a totally bullshit post that would have tried to catch me after I did my deed. And then he let me continue my plotting. It was obvious that I was going to be using the power cores to create big booms, because I posted that I was modifying them. Nobody brought it up then, asking what's up. And of course, nothing smaller than the bike would have managed to fit the cores in it anyway.

from what you said over AIM, I was under the impression that you would be doing something akin to pinpoint assassinations. Not NUKING A CITY. You never gave any indication that is what you would be doing. Not once.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-02 04:07pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:Since it is a filibuster, some of the senators would have just left the cavern because they don't have the inclination to wait around that shit and will return when he finishes. That's one of the reasons that a filibuster is performed--eventually the senators with less endurance or patience will leave and the party of the guy doing the filibuster will achieve of majority of those available for a vote. They then railroad the issue through.

So, I'm thinking an improvised chemical bomb that damages the facade and kills some senators and innocent bystanders. Given Alyrium's crazy "nice-guy libertarian" society there wouldn't be common-sense regulations in place to prevent the sale of potential explosives to random people. No invasion of privacy will be allowed, by jingo!

Guns are one thing, but noone in their right ind will sell high explosives to someone at random. And those that will, wouldnt be worried about regulations.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-09-02 04:08pm

Pinpoint Assassnations would have made sense and wouldn't have been hard to do in the Drac Republic. But this shit ain't going to fly, Pablo Hath Spoken.

Aly, I don't see any real reason not to give up a few Senators. You can even blame it on whoever you like.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-02 04:08pm

Hell, you could even blame it on be and actually get this going. I'd be game.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-02 04:09pm

I will conceede a few senators...

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-09-02 04:10pm

Of course for those of you wondering 3rd fleet is now in refit mode, has every ship took light damage.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-09-02 04:11pm

Beowulf wrote:Yes, he should have caught it. Did he? no. He told me that everything I brought would go through customs. I acquiesed. He should have tried looking at what I was bringing in! If he had questions, he certainly could have asked me what was up. Instead, he wrote a totally bullshit post that would have tried to catch me after I did my deed.

Do you know how I did the kills on Karsus and Spyder? I PMed to Straha and Spyder, verbatim, the first draft of the post that went into the Game Thread, and asked for their thoughts and approval. No vague hints, just a complete guide to the assassination process. The targetted player is trusted not to metagame after negotiation on the post begins, and if he does metagame, he gets slapped by the modstick.

That is how you do it.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-09-02 04:13pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:Guns are one thing, but noone in their right ind will sell high explosives to someone at random. And those that will, wouldnt be worried about regulations.

It wouldn't need to be high explosives at all, just chemical components. Someone trained as Oni is would be able to craft a quite deadly bomb from fertilizer and put it in a rented van, a la Oklahoma City.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-02 04:15pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:Guns are one thing, but noone in their right ind will sell high explosives to someone at random. And those that will, wouldnt be worried about regulations.
It wouldn't need to be high explosives at all, just chemical components. Someone trained as Oni is would be able to craft a quite deadly bomb from fertilizer and put it in a rented van, a la Oklahoma City.

Yeah, but no amount of regulation will stop that either

"excuse me, I need your permit for Miracle grow".. no..

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-09-02 04:15pm

For the record, since I was in control of the Amarr, I do approve of Frigid's post, and the losses he sustained. It was the inevitable conclusion, and I think it's rather fair overall, given the nature of the event. The Amarr never really stood a chance, but they gave a good showing of themselves nonetheless, and went out with their teeth tearing at the UP.

The Maledictions shall be missed. So sexy...

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-09-02 04:17pm

InnocentBystander wrote:Beowulf; all things aside. Can I ask you how a device that converts matter to energy direction is within the tech limit? None of this "Well I already said so, and you didn't see it, ha ha".

Lemme put it this way. In all the supposedly DS9 tech level STGODs we've had, none of them have had any complaints about me starting of with this. Hell, every one of my empires has used it, from STGOD1 to STGOD2 to my first empire in this STGOD. No one has complained.

Aly, you let me get through customs high explosive shells for a "big game" rifle. Don't go whining that you can't get explosives. And most types of propellants for guns are actually low explosives.

As for assassinations, I've repeatedly said that avoiding collateral damage costs extra. What made you think I got paid extra for the assassinations?

And Thirdfain, thank you.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-09-02 04:19pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Beowulf wrote:Yes, he should have caught it. Did he? no. He told me that everything I brought would go through customs. I acquiesed. He should have tried looking at what I was bringing in! If he had questions, he certainly could have asked me what was up. Instead, he wrote a totally bullshit post that would have tried to catch me after I did my deed.
Do you know how I did the kills on Karsus and Spyder? I PMed to Straha and Spyder, verbatim, the first draft of the post that went into the Game Thread, and asked for their thoughts and approval. No vague hints, just a complete guide to the assassination process. The targetted player is trusted not to metagame after negotiation on the post begins, and if he does metagame, he gets slapped by the modstick.

That is how you do it.

Next assassination will include a full PM of what is going to happen to whoever is my target to the target's controller.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-02 04:19pm

Don't thank me, your move was pretty ridiculous. Next time, don't try to behead a major nation in one blow. Think how much you'd dislike it if someone did the same thing to you.

I simply am pointing out that you'd be capable of dealing damage. The amount you initially claimed was over-the-top ridiculous.

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2004-09-02 04:20pm

Beowulf wrote:
InnocentBystander wrote:Beowulf; all things aside. Can I ask you how a device that converts matter to energy direction is within the tech limit? None of this "Well I already said so, and you didn't see it, ha ha".
Lemme put it this way. In all the supposedly DS9 tech level STGODs we've had, none of them have had any complaints about me starting of with this. Hell, every one of my empires has used it, from STGOD1 to STGOD2 to my first empire in this STGOD. No one has complained.

Could you, perhaps, answer the question?

InnocentBystander wrote:how a device that converts matter to energy direction is within the tech limit