STGOD 4 OOC Thread (part 2)

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-02 07:58pm

Not Monacora, just me, the Vampires, and the assorted Accord powers. So far, we've been pretty cordial.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-02 08:00pm

Thirdfain wrote:Frankly, its a FAR nicer place than the Alliance's little occupation effort in Ix'agal...

And that'd be whose fault, again? Yeah, that's right. Tycho's, for utterly surrendering when he didn't have to. I didn't want to destroy his nation, just his ability to effectively threaten his neighbors. But nooooooo, he has to fold and make a new nation one day into the war...

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-09-02 08:00pm

I was pretty sure Monocora claimed a little space there? You know payment for Terra?

Even so, 4 powers where there was 1? Sounds crowded to me, especially since no one in their right minds trust 2 of the 4 powers there...

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-09-02 08:03pm

frigidmagi wrote:I was pretty sure Monocora claimed a little space there? You know payment for Terra?

Even so, 4 powers where there was 1? Sounds crowded to me, especially since no one in their right minds trust 2 of the 4 powers there...

Sometimes the safest place is underneath the dragon's wing.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-02 08:04pm

Even so, 4 powers where there was 1? Sounds crowded to me, especially since no one in their right minds trust 2 of the 4 powers there...

Why not trust us? The Ousters' history of altruism rivals your own. We freed Camaro and Jardan from symbiote opression, spent large amounts of resources in assisting the people of Earth, providing hospitals for millions, and were a major player in the Unification against the Overseer. Hell, even the Nashtari admirals workeed well with the Ousters in that engagement.

And that'd be whose fault, again? Yeah, that's right. Tycho's, for utterly surrendering when he didn't have to. I didn't want to destroy his nation, just his ability to effectively threaten his neighbors. But nooooooo, he has to fold and make a new nation one day into the war...

The harshly ineffective occupation of Ix'agal has a lot more to do with it. It would have been much harder to incite revolt if the Arcanists hadn't imposed the dumbest regime EVER.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-09-02 08:04pm

Not when the Dragon's hungry it's not.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-02 08:06pm

This is pretty rude of my. I'm sorry, I"ll drop this thread right here.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-09-02 08:08pm

Alyrium--
I've noticed that the state of Draconis political discourse is extremely primitive. Your ambassadors use profanity in dealings with other nations and insult opposing ambassadors openly, and apparently your populace carries around rotting food for the sole purpose of throwing things at politicians.

And what the fuck is the complaint against the senator commentary from Thirdfain?

Senator--"We've been made a victim of terrorism and something should be done to demonstrate that we won't stand for it and will punish those who attack us."
People--"WE HATE YOU! WE MUCH PREFER TO LAY DOWN AND WAIT FOR SWEET DEATH!"

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-02 08:10pm

Thirdfain wrote:Hell, even the Nashtari admirals workeed well with the Ousters in that engagement.

Yeah, and get to be called spineless for it...

And that'd be whose fault, again? Yeah, that's right. Tycho's, for utterly surrendering when he didn't have to. I didn't want to destroy his nation, just his ability to effectively threaten his neighbors. But nooooooo, he has to fold and make a new nation one day into the war...
The harshly ineffective occupation of Ix'agal has a lot more to do with it. It would have been much harder to incite revolt if the Arcanists hadn't imposed the dumbest regime EVER.

Yeah, the Arcanist occupation strategy was pretty dumb, but it wouldn't have been necessary at all if Tycho hadn't wussed out.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-02 08:13pm

Yeah, and get to be called spineless for it...

By me, trying to keep you bastids on your toes- not by the Ouster officers who worked with them. Individual ousters think for themselves, and are quite capable of working off of the party line, especially the powerful ones.

I've left some avenues open for this, and hope that I can cooperate wioth some other players in this. Recall that Elanie's coup isn't yet public knowledge, and ehr power is still consolidating. Change is still an option.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-02 08:21pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:Alyrium--
I've noticed that the state of Draconis political discourse is extremely primitive. Your ambassadors use profanity in dealings with other nations and insult opposing ambassadors openly, and apparently your populace carries around rotting food for the sole purpose of throwing things at politicians.

And what the fuck is the complaint against the senator commentary from Thirdfain?

Senator--"We've been made a victim of terrorism and something should be done to demonstrate that we won't stand for it and will punish those who attack us."
People--"WE HATE YOU! WE MUCH PREFER TO LAY DOWN AND WAIT FOR SWEET DEATH!"

style over substance

It is more of the "15 minutes after a deadly bombing, you are jumping to conclusions and trying to push your agenda through before we have even had a chance to go to funerals, yu bastard"

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-02 08:22pm

Or maybe,

"This clearly isn't working. Our people need to do something about this, and crying won't help. The Republic must not fall. Pushing my own agenda? Yeah, sure. My agenda is, protect the Republic and ensure our safety and freedom!"

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-02 08:26pm

Thirdfain wrote:Or maybe,

"This clearly isn't working. Our people need to do something about this, and crying won't help. The Republic must not fall. Pushing my own agenda? Yeah, sure. My agenda is, protect the Republic and ensure our safety and freedom!"

Dude... 15 min after 9/11 did you see senators trying to do anything other than grieve? Imagine if John McCain had been killed in New York that day, would members of the senate be on a podium assigning blaim, and trying to advertize proposed legistlation? Fuck no.

That senator just comited political suicide

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-09-02 08:28pm

Guys, guys, sort it out in the Game thread, lets not agrue over opinion in the OOC thread, it just waste time I rather use to play.

Baiting each other in clean fun aside.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-09-02 08:28pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:Dude... 15 min after 9/11 did you see senators trying to do anything other than grieve?

Umm... yes we did. There were many senators demanding immediate action and revenge and punishment for our enemies, whoever they might be.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-02 08:31pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:Dude... 15 min after 9/11 did you see senators trying to do anything other than grieve?
Umm... yes we did. There were many senators demanding immediate action and revenge and punishment for our enemies, whoever they might be.

Actually 15 min later they were in a bunker IIRC

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-09-02 08:33pm

So why aren't yours?

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-09-02 08:35pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:Actually 15 min later they were in a bunker IIRC

Don't try to play semantic games... and I would expect that a shitload of senators were discussing loudly and clearly how they were going to totally fuck up the terrorist bastards responsible for 9/11, while they were in the bunker.

Anyway it's been hours at least in-game, because the capitol has evidently been cleared for entry.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-02 08:36pm

Just a word to all this so hastley commisioning ships, the faster ships are turned out the less powerful they're assumed to be. A few ships might be rushed but the commisioning of large numbers has an effect on their assumed power.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-09-02 08:39pm

Stormbringer wrote:Just a word to all this so hastley commisioning ships, the faster ships are turned out the less powerful they're assumed to be. A few ships might be rushed but the commisioning of large numbers has an effect on their assumed power.

I'm pumping out some ships really fast right now, but they're basically boxes with interdictors in them. Stopgap measures, more or less.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-02 08:40pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:Actually 15 min later they were in a bunker IIRC
Don't try to play semantic games... and I would expect that a shitload of senators were discussing loudly and clearly how they were going to totally fuck up the terrorist bastards responsible for 9/11, while they were in the bunker.

Anyway it's been hours at least in-game, because the capitol has evidently been cleared for entry.

If the bomb wasnt a nuke, it isnt like we COULD clear a massive metropolis that is the capitol of all sentient life.

SUffice to say, at least that one citizen is rather pissed He may, or may not represent the rest of the population.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-02 08:41pm

Stormbringer wrote:Just a word to all this so hastley commisioning ships, the faster ships are turned out the less powerful they're assumed to be. A few ships might be rushed but the commisioning of large numbers has an effect on their assumed power.

I placed the orders. They're going to be produced in smaller increments, not all at once. That order will be over an in-game year before every ship is complete. That's all the ships I still need to round out my fleet deployment order, so I put the numbers I'd need down now. Don't expect them all done within the month or anything.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-09-02 08:42pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:If the bomb wasnt a nuke, it isnt like we COULD clear a massive metropolis that is the capitol of all sentient life.

Capitol means a building.
Capital means city.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-02 08:51pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:If the bomb wasnt a nuke, it isnt like we COULD clear a massive metropolis that is the capitol of all sentient life.
Capitol means a building.
Capital means city.

Ah, I stand corrected.

U suppose it would have been at least a few hours, though, I would still think that trying to assign blame at such an early jncture(and trying to push an agenda that he has a hard on for) is tastless. And yes, he did directly assign blame.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-02 08:56pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:Just a word to all this so hastley commisioning ships, the faster ships are turned out the less powerful they're assumed to be. A few ships might be rushed but the commisioning of large numbers has an effect on their assumed power.
I'm pumping out some ships really fast right now, but they're basically boxes with interdictors in them. Stopgap measures, more or less.

I know, it's just I'm seeing some people turning out fairly hefty batches of supposedly top notch warships. And I figured it was worth pointing that fact out to them.

I've personally only commissioned ten warships and six of those were small escorts. The rest will be waiting.

Rogue 9 wrote:I placed the orders. They're going to be produced in smaller increments, not all at once. That order will be over an in-game year before every ship is complete. That's all the ships I still need to round out my fleet deployment order, so I put the numbers I'd need down now. Don't expect them all done within the month or anything.

It's not so much the number of the total ordered, for instance the Asgard wish to return to Genocide War levels of tonnage, but rather the speed with which you turn them out. Focusing on smaller batches at a faster pace is acceptable but your batches aren't that small.