STGOD 4 OOC Thread (part 2)

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-02 08:59pm

Sorry if I time that post badly Marcao, I had been working on it while you posted yours.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-02 08:59pm

If people had a problem with me producing top-quality warships at the speed I do, they shouldn't have let me take as many worlds as I have taken. I figure 5 months for a War Cluster is fair enough.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-09-02 09:01pm

No one has any problems relax, I've been working on new ships near 6 months.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-02 09:01pm

Thirdfain wrote:If people had a problem with me producing top-quality warships at the speed I do, they shouldn't have let me take as many worlds as I have taken. I figure 5 months for a War Cluster is fair enough.

With your mass of industry, it's fairly reasonable.

I was just referring to some of us less industrially endowed powers.

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2004-09-02 09:07pm

Most people use the amount of industrialized worlds to determine how fast they can make ships. I use the massive amount of capital that I get through my contracts to speed production of any newly building fleets. I have recently come into a good chunk of money, and will soon come into more if the current actions are any indicatior. I have had a large fleet building since the time of the death of the Overseer. How much longer until those are done? I cant say as I can give any real estimates as to how the capital will affect fleet production....

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-02 09:08pm

I count my massive industrial base as allowing the production of 6 capital ships, 30-odd cruisers, and around 150 escorts every 6 months.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-02 09:13pm

I have an entire system devoted to heavy industry and shipbuilding. The place looks like freakin' Kuat. I've only turned out five heavy warships during this entire STGOD, and now I'm going on a war footing, a move that's honestly way overdue. I really don't think I'm overrunning my capacity here.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-02 09:14pm

Only one system?

Cool beans > : )

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-02 09:18pm

Thirdfain wrote:Only one system?

Cool beans > : )

Goddamn, I've only got 17 inhabited worlds! You're sitting on 40, of course you have more. This is why I'm in the Alliance. (Note that that system includes two of my core worlds and deep space facilities in addition. It's not some pissant few shipyards. And I have limited shipyard facilities elsewhere as well, but not every system can be swarming with spacedocks.)

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-02 09:20pm

No problem. I fact, my shipyards are focused in just two systems as well, Madrighala and Eketrina, with escorts being the ones built in a non-centralized style.

That'll cchange soon, but till then...

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-02 09:22pm

How much longer until those are done? I cant say as I can give any real estimates as to how the capital will affect fleet production....

Six months is the usual baseline for capital ships.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-02 09:24pm

Thirdfain wrote:No problem. I fact, my shipyards are focused in just two systems as well, Madrighala and Eketrina, with escorts being the ones built in a non-centralized style.

That'll cchange soon, but till then...

Don't think I don't know how much of a target the Oro system is. I've taken steps to protect it.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-02 09:24pm

I'd just like to point out that my shipbuilding is spread out over four systems with a fifth to come online some time sooner or later. They arent' Kuat like by any means but they're large complexes.

Of course only the military yards are producing exclusively warships. Fabritech and their yards are still doing a lot of civilian work.

PS: New construction is noted in my OOB.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-09-02 09:26pm

Stormbringer wrote:
How much longer until those are done? I cant say as I can give any real estimates as to how the capital will affect fleet production....
Six months is the usual baseline for capital ships.

I do believe he was referring to capital as in money, not the ships.

Also, numerous powers have been cranking out capital ships at a rate of much shorter than six months.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-02 09:27pm

Who has? 6 months for Capitals, 3 for cruisers... That's been the norm, no?

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-09-02 09:29pm

Thirdfain wrote:Who has? 6 months for Capitals, 3 for cruisers... That's been the norm, no?

Not as far as I've seen. As I recall the previous build orders, going from you to the Veithans to others, several capitals were pumped out and considered to be full strength in a three month period.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-02 09:33pm

Waren't me.

Check the STGOd history. The new run of capships for me was launched Month 6, with a run of cruisers and escorts completed Month 3.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-09-02 09:35pm

Started building month 2, launched somewhere in month 5 or 6.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-02 09:36pm

Alyrium, I have to call bullshit on your investigation. It's not that I don't think you can reach those conclusion eventually, so much as I doubt you could so quickly.

For all you brute about privacy rights for you to know all that so quickly you'd have to have people under near constant surveillance. And for you to coordinate the information so quickly, you'd have to have the Holy Grail of Government, efficient paper-pushers.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-02 09:37pm

I started building my first run of heavy ships in early Month 2, launched one and two ships at a time all through Month 7, with the last two launched towards the end of the month.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-09-02 09:43pm

Stormbringer got a point Aly. Any defense you like to bring up?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-02 09:43pm

Stormbringer wrote:Alyrium, I have to call bullshit on your investigation. It's not that I don't think you can reach those conclusion eventually, so much as I doubt you could so quickly.

For all you brute about privacy rights for you to know all that so quickly you'd have to have people under near constant surveillance. And for you to coordinate the information so quickly, you'd have to have the Holy Grail of Government, efficient paper-pushers.

You find the bike peices. You match them up to a model. It may take a few hours for the analysis

A bike from the OU is going to be rare, very rare on a world that just made contact a couple months ago. You would know who had them by looking through import records, using a simple search engine. then you send a cop, he asks nicely. It could be done in a mater of hours if one uses a PHONE

If you want, I can push it back a few days

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-02 09:50pm

You find the bike peices. You match them up to a model. It may take a few hours for the analysis

Alyrium, you do know that such forensic work can take months right? For one thing just finding any recognisable bits on a large scale site is going take a long, exhaustive search. Indentitfying them nearly as long, and so well matching them to get a credible positive ID> Take for instance Oklahoma City, they were still matching the Ryder Truck months later. And they knew it was the bomb.

A bike from the OU is going to be rare, very rare on a world that just made contact a couple months ago. You would know who had them by looking through import records, using a simple search engine. then you send a cop, he asks nicely. It could be done in a mater of hours if one uses a PHONE

Funny that your government, for all it has such stringent privacy right has so much information at it's fingertips. If you're really the sort of society you claim that process would be much, much more difficult and would probably require at least some good hard evidence going before a judge.

Or should I just start warning my citizens that the Draconis is really a Stalinist police state that'd give old Joe Steel orgasms?

Marcao · Post by **Marcao** » 2004-09-02 09:52pm

Stormbringer wrote:Sorry if I time that post badly Marcao, I had been working on it while you posted yours.

not a problem man.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-02 09:55pm

Alyrium, you do know that such forensic work can take months right? For one thing just finding any recognisable bits on a large scale site is going take a long, exhaustive search. Indentitfying them nearly as long, and so well matching them to get a credible positive ID> Take for instance Oklahoma City, they were still matching the Ryder Truck months later. And they knew it was the bomb.

And we are a shitload of time n the future. I would expect forensic science would make the same leaps and bounds as our other technologies.

Funny that your government, for all it has such stringent privacy right has so much information at it's fingertips. If you're really the sort of society you claim that process would be much, much more difficult and would probably require at least some good hard evidence going before a judge.

You need probable cause for a warrant. Reasonable suspicion. ANd something being imported gets a customs inspection. And the files are *gasp* saved oh holy shit. they save the files!!