STGOD 4 OOC Thread (part 2)

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-09-04 01:10am

Nope, just working brain cells.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-04 01:13am

Thirdfain wrote:And why would we do that? Guilty conscience, huh?

Or possibly because you tend to do that kind of thing. A lot. Usually for little to no reason at all, as the good citizens of Hudson and Jormungandr will gladly attest. Therefore, since you do that kind of thing even when unprovoked, who knows what you'll do now that Hudson has been attacked by parties unknown?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-04 01:53am

Hey, hopefully I will be able to catch up sometime tomorrow, but my school/work schedule will be hell for the last couple days

Murazor · Post by **Murazor** » 2004-09-04 11:33am

I think that the minefields that I have in the core systems need further clarification. They exploit the fact that the Cluster prevents the reliable use of all forms of gravity affected FTL (meaning that although it is possible to travel through the Cluster without any damage you must move slowly in order to do so as there are dangerous distortions that might damage vessels attempting to travel at top speed and that prevent the usual accuracy). There are a few corridors a few degrees wide per system that allow a completely normal use of FTL without any drawback and this is were the minefields are located.

Force declaration.

Interdictor-minefields.

The interdictor part of the minefield is located inside large asteroides that house, hidden from anything but detailed scans made by nearby ships, M/AM power plants that are activated only when the early warning network detects approaching enemies. When the enemy is in position, oversized gravitic devices modified to create a field are powered and the resulting gravity well pulls the enemy vessels back into realspace. Just before the activation of the interdiction field, many mine launchers in the surface of the minefield launch self-replicating mines with AM warheads that fill the area where the enemy will appear.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-09-04 11:48am

Murazor wrote:I think that the minefields that I have in the core systems need further clarification. They exploit the fact that the Cluster prevents the reliable use of all forms of gravity affected FTL (meaning that although it is possible to travel through the Cluster without any damage you must move slowly in order to do so as there are dangerous distortions that might damage vessels attempting to travel at top speed and that prevent the usual accuracy).

We have already established this sort of thing to be an impossibility because of matters of scale. Apparently you don't understand how big space is. Well... it's really fucking big. And there is no process, real or imaginary, which would cause your core planets to have a convenient bubble of distorted space surrounding them. It's kind of hard to articulate all the numerous problems with this idea, so I'll just simplify it by saying "No."

Murazor · Post by **Murazor** » 2004-09-04 11:50am

Pablo Sanchez wrote:We have already established this sort of thing to be an impossibility because of matters of scale. Apparently you don't understand how big space is. Well... it's really fucking big. And there is no process, real or imaginary, which would cause your core planets to have a convenient bubble of distorted space surrounding them. It's kind of hard to articulate all the numerous problems with this idea, so I'll just simplify it by saying "No."

All right, I was not aware of such a decission and considered that it was worth a try, but no prob if it can't be.

Marcao · Post by **Marcao** » 2004-09-04 11:54am

My next post will deal with the telepathic scans of the White Sun and the telepathic scan of the Ouster Admiral. Afterwards, I will throw up a findings report, which will be sent to all nations. I am sorry if it seems its dragging, but the STGOD and especially the scanning of the white sun and ouster admirals are not my sole responsibility. *pout*

If all goes well, the Veithan side of things will be all written and good to go by tonight, tomorrow at the latest. After that, its out of my hands. So have fun!

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-09-04 02:36pm

Aly, do you honnestly think we'd let you into the Prince's chamber with a mechanical tooth? Especially considering the history between our nations?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-04 02:41pm

Straha wrote:Aly, do you honnestly think we'd let you into the Prince's chamber with a mechanical tooth? Especially considering the history between our nations?

You never stated you searched. ANd it is an analog device, not much for electronic signatures. Hide something like that in a mollar, and noone will find it.

Besides, do you honestly think an agent of my gvernemnt would have taken a nap in a bomb crater? One where you can FEEL your atoms being ionized?

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-09-04 02:45pm

Firstly, one has to wonder how a strictly mechanical typewriter would be operated from inside someone's tooth. Do you also have a tiny steam powered man typing it all down inside of the tooth as well?

Secondly, I think it's generally assumed that when you go to a high-ranking official's office, you're given a security sweep. Most people won't let recording devices in their offices if they would know about them.

However, a certain amount of leeway has to be given. Some subtle cybernetic implants would be very difficult to detect (or disable if they were detected), so the possibility remains.

Still, suddenly giving the guy a recording device sounds fishy. The best compromise would be for him to tell his government what happened, even if it is from his perspective.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-09-04 02:45pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Straha wrote:Aly, do you honnestly think we'd let you into the Prince's chamber with a mechanical tooth? Especially considering the history between our nations?
You never stated you searched. ANd it is an analog device, not much for electronic signatures. Hide something like that in a mollar, and noone will find it.

Besides, do you honestly think an agent of my gvernemnt would have taken a nap in a bomb crater? One where you can FEEL your atoms being ionized?

Let's see... you're being given an audience with the Prince, you're walking through our capital city, I've searched others before you, and we we're almost at war. Use your head!

As for nap? No, he might have fallen in, he might have tripped, he might have already been sick and couldn't move when he dropped in, etc. etc. etc. Coroners are not supposed to be great crime scene investigators, they're supposed to know how the guy died, and they found it. You want to deny the claim, we'll give the corpse over to a third party of our choosing to verify it for you.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-04 02:51pm

Hotfoot wrote:Firstly, one has to wonder how a strictly mechanical typewriter would be operated from inside someone's tooth. Do you also have a tiny steam powered man typing it all down inside of the tooth as well?

Secondly, I think it's generally assumed that when you go to a high-ranking official's office, you're given a security sweep. Most people won't let recording devices in their offices if they would know about them.

However, a certain amount of leeway has to be given. Some subtle cybernetic implants would be very difficult to detect (or disable if they were detected), so the possibility remains.

Still, suddenly giving the guy a recording device sounds fishy. The best compromise would be for him to tell his government what happened, even if it is from his perspective.

Analog could also IIc been in the form of microfilm. ANd I assume that given our level of technology, such a device could be hidden inside someones molar.

Thugh if have my terms wrong, the method of recording was on microfilm..

A seach is one thing, but a fully body cavity search complete with removing the lizards teeth to check each one(all several hundred of them) individually... no...

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-09-04 02:52pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:You never stated you searched. ANd it is an analog device, not much for electronic signatures. Hide something like that in a mollar, and noone will find it.

Unless of course the Monacorans have the incredibly advanced technology of x-ray photography, in which case they would spot it pretty much instantaneously. And how did they make an analog audio recorder that fits in a tiny little tooth in a persons mouth, yet takes perfect recordings of conversations going on in the room? Did he have his mouth hanging open during the entire conversation? How was the microphone precise enough to record the Prince's voice, while filtering out the relatively far louder sound of the ambassadors breathing, while being coated in saliva?

I think Straha didn't state specifically that he was searching your ambassador because he didn't think you would be pulling ridiculous James Bond bullshit. Do you ambassador have railguns hidden in their pens and exploding tear-gas grenades built into their watches? Do you realize that that kind of shit completely flies in the face of traditional diplomatic conduct and should offend not only the Monacorans but everyone whom you have diplomatic ties with.

"Oh, by the way, we secretly record all diplomatic sessions!"

A certain level of espionage is expected, but that sort of crap gets your ambassadors declared persona non grata and otherwise banned from even friendly worlds.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-09-04 02:55pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:Analog could also IIc been in the form of microfilm. ANd I assume that given our level of technology, such a device could be hidden inside someones molar.

Aly, you're talking about taking pictures from the back your mouth. Do you want me to draw up a laundry list of why this won't work, or will you just drop this idea along with adobe superscrapers and tar roads?

Thugh if have my terms wrong, the method of recording was on microfilm..

Which is....film. You can't make a transcription of a conversation using photographs, and even microfilm is pretty darn big.

A seach is one thing, but a fully body cavity search complete with removing the lizards teeth to check each one individually... no...

Alyrium, you put this on your guy after the conversation. Did you clear the move with Straha or a mod beforehand? If not, I'm going to say it should be striken from the record on the position that it is both inherantly flawed and an after the fact declaration.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-09-04 02:56pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:Analog could also IIc been in the form of microfilm. ANd I assume that given our level of technology, such a device could be hidden inside someones molar.

Thugh if have my terms wrong, the method of recording was on microfilm..

A seach is one thing, but a fully body cavity search complete with removing the lizards teeth to check each one(all several hundred of them) individually... no...

If your four-foot tall lizard people are fitting hundreds of teeth into their mouths, they're not going to be the size of molars. They're going to be the size of rather small needles. And there is a definite limit to how small an analog audio recorder can be, because it has to has a microphone capable of properly registering the sound waves. You're not going to fit one into a needle, suffice it to say.

Hotfoot wrote:Did you clear the move with Straha or a mod beforehand?

Not with me! This whole deal is unworkable. Why don't we just rename their Alliance the Axis of Metagaming?

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-09-04 02:58pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:And there is a definite limit to how small an analog audio recorder can be, because it has to has a microphone capable of properly registering the sound waves. You're not going to fit one into a needle, suffice it to say.

But don't you see?! The needle is just the recording device! The mouth collects the soundwaves, since it is conical, and the actual data device is the tongue! It's nothing more than simple vinyl record techology! It's BRILLIANT!

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-04 02:59pm

I think Straha didn't state specifically that he was searching your ambassador because he didn't think you would be pulling ridiculous James Bond bullshit. Do you ambassador have railguns hidden in their pens and exploding tear-gas grenades built into their watches? Do you realize that that kind of shit completely flies in the face of traditional diplomatic conduct and should offend not only the Monacorans but everyone whom you have diplomatic ties with.

No, no railgun pens. But at our technological level, microfilm hidden in someones teeth... The lower jaw is used as a sound conductor in multiple species, sound quality wont be perfect, but it will be there. ANd if it is small enough, perhaps noone will notice it.

Getting a transcript of a simple conversation, one which under the circumstances, should have had a lawyer present, is reasonable. ANd if that takes a small hidden device inside a tooth, then so be it.

If you rule against it, I can always change it to a telepathic scan of the mans memories. Or a neural interface once he gets back to his ship. either way.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-09-04 03:00pm

Hotfoot wrote:But don't you see?! The needle is just the recording device! The mouth collects the soundwaves, since it is conical, and the actual data device is the tongue! It's nothing more than simple vinyl record techology! It's BRILLIANT!

Yes....

Sometimes I just hate this fucking job.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-09-04 03:01pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:If you rule against it, I can always change it to a telepathic scan of the mans memories. Or a neural interface once he gets back to his ship. either way.

YES! Those are good ideas, do one of them.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-04 03:01pm

Very well, changing to neurl intterface with his shipboard computer or something similar

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-04 03:04pm

Neural interface has been done.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-09-04 06:01pm

Why don't we just rename their Alliance the Axis of Metagaming?

If you feel I over Metagame, then fucking say it, kick me out and have done.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-04 06:02pm

You do not. Some of your allies are pretty shocking, though.

admiral_danielsben · Post by **admiral_danielsben** » 2004-09-04 06:23pm

Thirdfain wrote:Beats me. They aren't really in the STGOD anymore.

We are, just not very active. The Union will become much more active as the war comes in. It's just that I haven't too much to post. And I don't honestly visit SDNet so much anyways.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-04 06:24pm

Cool.

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