Coruscant in Trek universe

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2004-09-06 12:17pm

The planet Coruscant, including everyone and everything on it, gets teleported (act of Q) in orbit of a star right located between the UFP, Klingon Empire & Romulan Star Empire.

What happens?

1. Like it is during TPM/AOTC
2. Like it is during the original trilogy

Jean Paul · Post by **Jean Paul** » 2004-09-06 12:37pm

Most of the population starves to death.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-09-06 12:41pm

Jean Paul wrote:Most of the population starves to death.

Agreed.

I also assume defensive stations and skyhooks are not transported? Even then, with those millions of cargo ships, I am sure they could find more food... mabye not for everyone, but they could. Also, I don't think any faction (ST faction) would dare attack it, especially in the OT times. It still have ground to space weapons and shields.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-09-06 12:44pm

I meant for the last "have" to be "has." Doh!

Also, perhaps (by some act of Q), Coruscant was still loading all of the Acclamators when it was transported. That would be interesting.

All in all, I would say it becomes its own faction. I mean, it can starve, yes, but the planet istn't going away. And it is still has said Acclamators, well it just got the most powerful fleet the AQ and BQ had ever seen.

Kerneth · Post by **Kerneth** » 2004-09-06 12:54pm

Do the orbital faciliities and starships get transported as well?

If it's just the planet itself and the people on the planet's surface that get transported to the Alpha Quadrant, most of the population will starve to death. Coruscant doesn't grow enough food to feed even a fraction of its own population; it's completely reliant on shipments from various planetary farming concerns to feed itself. For that matter, I'm not certain there are any powers in the Alpha Quadrant that have sufficient capability or can ramp up to sufficient capability to feed the population of Coruscant, on top of their own people. Even if Coruscant, its orbital facilities (including Golan platforms) and orbiting starships all appear in the Alpha Quadrant, it may be the case that the capability to maintain the population simply doesn't exist in the Star Trek universe.

In the TPM/AOTC Coruscant, this is a disaster. There'll be rioting, the planetary government will collapse, and everyone on-planet with access to a hyperspace capable starship will be leaving rather rapidly for other planets. If the Coruscant defenses and fleet are available, more than likely they'll be sent out to negotiate with other worlds for food supplies to try to mitigate the damage. Getting replicator technology from the Federation would be fairly easy--hell, the UFP will probably GIVE it to them in order to prevent that many people from starving--but it'll still be difficult to get the sheer bulk of raw materials needed to Coruscant in sufficient quantity to prevent mass-starvation.

In the OT Coruscant, if the Emperor's there, he'll promptly clamp down on the planet's population through the Force and his loyal troops, preventing the worst of the riots and other problems. He'll still have to work fast to get food supplies to the population, somehow, or given that this is the Emperor he'll simply eliminate as many people as necessary, either through the Force, through use of WMDs, or by simply letting them starve to death, whichever is most efficient.

Once the initial problems are over with, assuming there's much left of the planet's population, Coruscant's droids are sufficient to begin rebuilding the orbital infrastructure and eventually start producing hyper-capable vessels and (eventually) warships, making it one of the greatest powers in the Alpha Quadrant.

It's entirely possible that, in the OT-era scenario, the Emperor will begin a campaign of conquest--first, for food and raw materials, and later because he's the Emperor and galactic conquest is in his job description.

In the prequel scenario, Coruscant will quickly become a major power in the Alpha Quadrant, with unbeatable planetary defenses and (once the orbital bases are rebuilt) eventually a fleet capable of taking on anything (and everything, simultaneously) in the Alpha Quadrant.

Either way, those people who fled the planet's surface in hyper-capable starships stand to make a fortune selling samples of their technology--or, if the vessels are armed, as pirates. Even civilian-grade SW weapons and shields are a serious threat to Star Trek militaries, and if there's a ship as heavily modified as the Millenium Falcon or the Wild Karrde on Coruscant and it goes pirate...heh. For that matter, the Black Sun organization has a sizeable fleet of hyper-capable vessels and a large force of trained, armed criminals, and they're based on Coruscant. Planetary conquest, in the ST-verse, is not out of the question for Black Sun.

Dartzap · Post by **Dartzap** » 2004-09-06 01:04pm

Why not have it during the YV occupation?

That would be Fun

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2004-09-06 01:29pm

Kerneth wrote:Do the orbital faciliities and starships get transported as well?

No, only every ship that was in its atmosphere

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-09-06 01:41pm

THE LUSANKYA!! I forgot about that ship. It should be accepted in the OP because it was in Coruscant. Well that right there guarentees OT Coruscant supremecy over every other power.

Quadlok · Post by **Quadlok** » 2004-09-06 01:52pm

wautd wrote:
Kerneth wrote:Do the orbital faciliities and starships get transported as well?
No, only every ship that was in its atmosphere

What about skyhooks? They're in low orbit, but are teathered directly to the ground.

HRogge · Post by **HRogge** » 2004-09-06 02:11pm

Coruscant has extensive factories and a few months supply to support it's population... this might be enough to get a new "transport fleet"...

Prozac the Robert · Post by **Prozac the Robert** » 2004-09-06 02:48pm

I wonder how the political situation on Coruscant (old republic) would change. The senate would be pretty much irelevant since the senators no longer have anywhere to represent.

Does Coruscant have it's own local government, something like the London assembly or a mayor? It might be a bit of a spanner in the works for the emperors rise to power. On the other hand they might be more niaeve and easy for him to manipulate.

It's going to be pretty hard for him to kill the jedi off this time as well without the seperatists army of droids.

Mutant Headcrab · Post by **Mutant Headcrab** » 2004-09-06 05:06pm

Techno_Union wrote:THE LUSANKYA!! I forgot about that ship. It should be accepted in the OP because it was in Coruscant. Well that right there guarentees OT Coruscant supremecy over every other power.

Pardon my ignorance, but what's the Lusankya?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-09-06 05:08pm

Mutant Headcrab wrote:
Techno_Union wrote:THE LUSANKYA!! I forgot about that ship. It should be accepted in the OP because it was in Coruscant. Well that right there guarentees OT Coruscant supremecy over every other power.
Pardon my ignorance, but what's the Lusankya?

Ol' Emperor Palpy hid an SSD in Coruscant just in case he ever needed something to escape with.

That's the Lusankya.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2004-09-06 05:13pm

Mutant Headcrab wrote:Pardon my ignorance, but what's the Lusankya?

A copy of the Executor, placed under Imperial City.

Coruscant has enough supplies to withstand a lenghty blockade, as demonstrated in the Thrawn Trilogy. Things change depending on the era, but chances are the ruling government would attempt to make peace with the surrounding systems. They don't have the resources in either warships, the production thereof, or food to sustain any drawn out war, should the head honcho be foolish enough to try such a thing.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-09-06 08:34pm

And when Ysanne Isard fled Coruscant as the Rebels retook it, several kilometers of Coruscant exploded and a Super Star Destroyer lifted out...you can imagine the look on Wedge Antilles' face

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2004-09-06 11:10pm

Old Republic Coruscant: Depends on which era of the OR, but if it's prequel-era (as apparent by the OP), there's gonna be trouble. Unless they can somehow or other build up a food supply system, they're going to have a massive population die-off before long. If they have clonetroopers, though, they can probably screw over the Federation and Klingon Empire in short order, and begin regular food convoys-- they're gonna lose a LOT of people, though.

Original Trilogy: Palpatine's gonna screw the Milky Way so hard it screams across half the Universe...

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-09-07 01:17am

They likely will loose a lot of population, but Star Trek will donate a lot of replicators. There will be mass poverty as people spend fortunes to get their hands on the replicators until there are enough that they go down in price that most can afford them, and by then most of the population of the lower levels will have died out.

If this is Palpatine we're talking about, he'll probably have all nonhumans killed (perhaps developing the Krytos virus ahead of time?) and give their supplies to the humans. That'll prolong the life of the humans. Once he has gotten a substantial amount of food and replicators and supplies from the Federation, he begins rebuilding. Start using the construction droids to build orbital shipyards, begin building ships...and when the Federation is nosy, he'll pull out Lusankya and BDZ Earth, cutting the head off the Federation in one blow. Then he'll attack Vulcan, damage the major facilities and nuke at least once city until the Vulcans conclude it is logical to surrender and turn over all information to the Empire.

Then he makes the Alpha quadrant pay

And when he finds the wormhole, he makes roast changeling.

If it's the old republic, the same thing happens, except the nonhumans aren't killed off, and they open diplomatic relations with the Federation. After the Federation gives them supplies, they give the Federation aid once they begin rebuilding warships (they'll have whatever was on Coruscant at the time).

A few Acclamators will make mincemeat out of a Dominion fleet...or Borg Cube. The Federation will become the dominant power, with the Republic at its side.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-09-07 01:33am

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:
Mutant Headcrab wrote:Pardon my ignorance, but what's the Lusankya?
They don't have the resources in either warships, the production thereof, or food to sustain any drawn out war, should the head honcho be foolish enough to try such a thing.

You forget, if it's Palpatine era, you have Lusankya.
One SSD can BDZ planets, wipe out entire ST fleets...if he allies with one ST nation (Federation perhaps?) he can destroy the other two.

Or if he allies with two (Federation and Klingons?) he can wipe out the Romulans, and THEN go for the Dominion

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-09-07 02:13am

A considerable portion of Coruscants population will die from starvation. Even with the help of the Federation they cant feed everyone.

Once the situation has stabilized there will be an interesting scenario. Although the ships on Coruscant are usualy small they have superior shielding, firepower and FTL propulsion. The UFP could hire them as an elite fleet.

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2004-09-07 02:47am

Kerneth wrote:Either way, those people who fled the planet's surface in hyper-capable starships stand to make a fortune selling samples of their technology--or, if the vessels are armed, as pirates. Even civilian-grade SW weapons and shields are a serious threat to Star Trek militaries, and if there's a ship as heavily modified as the Millenium Falcon or the Wild Karrde on Coruscant and it goes pirate...heh. For that matter, the Black Sun organization has a sizeable fleet of hyper-capable vessels and a large force of trained, armed criminals, and they're based on Coruscant. Planetary conquest, in the ST-verse, is not out of the question for Black Sun.

Interesting point. The Republic sure as hell cant do anything about it to stop them and I wonder what Palpy will do.

The biggest treath for Coruscant/ST universe will be their rogue elements

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2004-09-07 02:48pm

As already said, there is enough food on Coruscant to last a few months (alright, lets say weeks).

We also know (thanks to Destiny´s Way) that SW has food-synthesizers.

So there should be enough time to evacuate enough people or to keep them alive until other food-sources could be established.

If there comes one million ships to Coruscant and lands, there, we have almost sevenhundred ships per minute, that are grounded on the planet. Even if each one stays for only ten minutes, we get 7,000 ships, that will participate in the transit.

So no problem, no starvation and the milkyway is fucked, if this is OT-Coruscant. It is probabely also fucked if this is PT-Coruscant.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-09-07 05:18pm

If there comes one million ships to Coruscant and lands, there, we have almost sevenhundred ships per minute, that are grounded on the planet. Even if each one stays for only ten minutes, we get 7,000 ships, that will participate in the transit.

small problem. the federation and most other empires within the alpha q only have a few thousand ships apiece at most. tens of thousands at their absolute greatest, according to most canon sources.

sending millions of ships simply isn't feasible for the majority of alpha quadrant powers.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2004-09-07 06:44pm

They could begin mass evacuations of the populace to other worlds where food is plentiful to offset the starvation on Coruscant, if any. This should buy the planet some time before it acquires sources of raw materials for their food synthesizers and possibly replicators. All transports on the planet in addition to Trek ones can be utilized for the offworld evacuations. At no doubt the Federation would assist out of goodwill. Other powers such as Klingons and Romulans might help at the reward of new SW tech.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2004-09-07 09:32pm

Depending on how many hyperspace capabile vehicles are on planet at the time, it would be in pre-Empire Coruscants best interest to evac as many people as they can to habitable planets as rapidly as possible with as many labor droids as they could give each group.

Empire-Era Coruscant, the Emperor takes control of everyone's mind, puts them in armor, gives them weapons, loads them into the planetary garrisons defensive ships, and screws the Milky Way galaxy over big time, on his new flagship, the Luskanya.

There's also a question of Star Wars stasis technology. We do know it exsists.
i.e Star End's prison in the Corporate Sector uses Stasis Booths (ref: Han Solo at Star's End, good if somewhat fast read)
and somewhere where Boba Fett used a modified one and a door to catch Han, and fough Vader with a Lightsaber (no, I'm not kidding)

It's entirely possible that the government nationalises all the Industries on Coruscant, and rapidly builds and puts as many people in Stasis booths well they find as many food sources as possible.

In the case of Empire-era Coruscant, the Emperor does this by conquering the Milkway as rapidly as possible, and then putting Coruscant natives on planets. With the population of Coruscant as large as it is, most of the conquered worlds would rapidly be filled with loyal-to-the-man-that-saved-them Coruscant-natives to keep them in line.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-09-08 12:45am

I guess it never occured to anyone that Coruscant would be best suited making peaceful contact with the AQ because it lacks all of its required resources to properly function for any length of time. Coruscant quite simply can't conquer anything in any reasonable amount of time before weapon stocks and food disapear.

They would be better suited to trade various technologies for trade contracts to get what they need. They do that, they can begin securing a better position. Years down the road they use their technology to do as they wish, not months down the road.