If you were Kerry's campaign advisor, what would you do?

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-09-06 02:28pm

Newsmax.com wrote:After the stunning success of anti-John Kerry ads produced by the group Swiftboat Veterans for Truth, a separate group of Vietnam veterans is planning to open up a new front - in a move that could leave the Democratic nominee sorry he ever mentioned Vietnam as a campaign issue.

Special Forces veteran Ted Sampley, co-founder with Mike Benge and Jerry Kiley of Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, tells Ad Week magazine that his group has launched a local spot buy targeting military family-rich areas in North Carolina. The ads started last week on Fox affiliates in the area, covering key military installations at Camp LeJeune, Marine Corp Air Station Cherry Point and Seymour Johnson AFB.

Sampley tells Ad Week he's currently negotiating further media buys that will reach Fort Bragg and Pope AFB.

While VVAJK has been around for more than a year, the group's entry into the Kerry ad wars is brand new, and could showcase like never before the broad resentment Vietnam veterans feel for Kerry's anti-war activities. with the group Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

Sampley's first ad covers information that's been hushed up by the mainstream press: Kerry's participation in a 1971 VVAW meeting in Kansas City where the assassination of several pro-war U.S. senators was plotted and voted on.

The Kerry campaign at first denied the top Democrat was present, but was forced to retract the claim when the New York Sun unearthed FBI files that placed him at the meeting. Kerry claimed he voted no on the plot and then resigned from the group.

Sampley's 60-second spot blasts the White House hopeful for his leadership role in the organization, calling it "one of America's most radical, pro-Communist, anti-war groups," accusing Kerry of having "marched in demonstrations carrying the flags of the America's enemies, the Vietcong and the North Vietnamese."

The spot also charges that Kerry "used the blood of U.S. service men, still fighting on the battlefields of Vietnam, for his own political advancement."

In a twist that's likely to confound critics, Sampley's group has rejected non-profit status and is not operating as the kind of 527 group that both the Bush and Kerry campaigns have condemned.

Instead, the veteran's advocate says his anti-Kerry ads are for-profit advertising for his newspaper, U.S. Veteran Dispatch.

Elfdart · Post by **Elfdart** » 2004-09-06 02:36pm

Here I thought the loony Right had scraped the bottom of the barrel with scumbags like Cordier and Hoffman.

Now Shep scrapes under the barrel to find Ted Sampley and Ollie North. What's wrong Shep? Can't find someone who's not a convicted criminal?

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-09-06 02:56pm

What a surprise. More lies coming from the Right.

NationMaster wrote:In 1971, VVAW was holding quarterly meetings and met in different cities, including St. Louis, Missouri in July. From November 12 to 15, 1971, the group met in Kansas City, Missouri. At this meeting, a VVAW member named Scott Camil advocated the assassination of certain politicians who favored continuing the war, including Senators Strom Thurmond, John Stennis, and John Tower. This idea was quickly shouted down and was never seriously discussed.

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The focus on the Kansas City meeting arises because of Camil s suggestion of violence. (Camil himself has said that he does not remember seeing Kerry at that meeting.) No one has contended that Kerry himself ever supported violent action. Instead, he is remembered as having advocated moderation, nonviolence and work within the system. He resigned partly because he was uncomfortable with the radicalism of some VVAW members, and partly because he wanted to run for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives, which he did in 1972.

These people are utter fucking scum.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2004-09-06 04:14pm

What really pisses me off about the fountain of lies coming from the Republicans is that the media is quick to air the accusations loud and clear but don't seem to care too much about rebutting them. If they are rebutted, its is never as loud or as often as the initial charge made.

I just don't fucking get it. Many media sources (even some on Fox I'd like to add.) have complained that the Republican convention intentionally scheduled speaker after speaker to come on, unlike the DNC, thus not allowing an indepth analysis of each speech. This of course allows the lies to be spread without a proper rebuttal.

Falkenhayn · Post by **Falkenhayn** » 2004-09-06 04:40pm

Stravo wrote:What really pisses me off about the fountain of lies coming from the Republicans is that the media is quick to air the accusations loud and clear but don't seem to care too much about rebutting them. If they are rebutted, its is never as loud or as often as the initial charge made.

Yeah...isn't this John Kerry's job?

I just don't fucking get it. Many media sources (even some on Fox I'd like to add.) have complained that the Republican convention intentionally scheduled speaker after speaker to come on, unlike the DNC, thus not allowing an indepth analysis of each speech. This of course allows the lies to be spread without a proper rebuttal. [/quote]

Being outwitted really smarts, dosen't it?

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2004-09-06 04:46pm

Falkenhayn wrote:
Stravo wrote:What really pisses me off about the fountain of lies coming from the Republicans is that the media is quick to air the accusations loud and clear but don't seem to care too much about rebutting them. If they are rebutted, its is never as loud or as often as the initial charge made.
Yeah...isn't this John Kerry's job?

No cockmunch. You see the media is supposed to report the news and verify the facts. If someone lies and the media reports it they are also supposed to investigate the veracity of those claims. Unless you are of the Nazi school of thought where the media is just a mouthpiece.

I just don't fucking get it. Many media sources (even some on Fox I'd like to add.) have complained that the Republican convention intentionally scheduled speaker after speaker to come on, unlike the DNC, thus not allowing an indepth analysis of each speech. This of course allows the lies to be spread without a proper rebuttal.
Being outwitted really smarts, dosen't it?

Gee, I guess when you lie about someone you are outsmarting them. Nice. What color is the sky in your world cockmunch?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-09-06 04:50pm

Falkenhayn wrote:
Stravo wrote:What really pisses me off about the fountain of lies coming from the Republicans is that the media is quick to air the accusations loud and clear but don't seem to care too much about rebutting them. If they are rebutted, its is never as loud or as often as the initial charge made.
Yeah...isn't this John Kerry's job?

No. A journalist's job is to report facts, not claims. If someone presents a claim, they should investigate that claim before reporting it as a fact. Journalists have abdicated their primary responsibility and in essence become nothing more than a mirror of the Internet with which they are competing; in their zeal to compete on the basis of sheer speed and volume, they throw any information that comes their way right onto the screen without bothering to investigate it first.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2004-09-06 04:58pm

"Ooh, sounds like someone wants the media to act as a filter!'