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New records: Bush skipped duty, his record was whitewashed

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Lawsuit uncovers Bush Guard records

Wednesday, September 8, 2004 Posted: 11:32 AM EDT (1532 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Months after insisting it could find no more records of President Bush's Air National Guard service, the Defense Department has released more than two dozen pages of files, including Bush's report card for flight training and dates of his flights.

The records, released under pressure of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by The Associated Press, show Bush ranked in the middle of his 1969 flight training class and flew 336 hours for the Texas Air National Guard, mostly in the F-102A fighter.

The Pentagon and Bush's campaign have claimed for months that all records detailing his fighter pilot career have been made public, but defense officials acknowledged Tuesday they had found two dozen new records detailing his training and flight logs after the AP sued and submitted new requests under the public records law.

"Previous requests from other requesters for President Bush's Individual Flight Records did not lead to the discovery of these records because at the time President Bush left the service, flight records were subject to retention for only 24 months and we understood that neither the Air Force nor the Texas Air National Guard retained such records thereafter," the Pentagon told the AP.

"Out of an abundance of caution," the government "searched a file that had been preserved in spite of this policy" and found the Bush records, the letter said. "The Department of Defense regrets this oversight during the previous search efforts."

Bush's Vietnam-era service in the Texas Air National Guard has become an issue in the presidential campaign as the candidates spar over who would make the best commander in chief. Supporters of Democratic nominee John Kerry, a decorated Vietnam combat veteran, have criticized Bush for serving stateside in the National Guard. Kerry's Republican critics claim Kerry did not deserve some of his five medals.

A group called Texans for Truth planned to launch an ad this week in which a lieutenant colonel in the Alabama Air National Guard questions Bush's absence from his National Guard service in Montgomery, Alabama. The group says it plans to spend about $100,000 to run the ad.

The ad asks "Was George W. Bush AWOL in Alabama?" and implores: "Tell us whom you served with Mr. President."

In the ad, Bob Mintz claims he served at the same air base and in the same unit as Bush in 1972 but never saw Bush there. "It would be impossible to be unseen in a unit of that size," Mintz says in the ad. "AWOL" stands for Away Without Leave.

Bush has said repeatedly he is proud of his Air National Guard service. As late as last week, White House spokesmen said the administration knew of no other records of Bush's military service.

"These documents confirm that the president served honorably in the National Guard," White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan said Tuesday night.

Democratic National Committee communications director Jano Cabrera disagreed. "For months George Bush told the nation that all his military records were public," he said. "Now we know why Bush was trying so hard to withhold these records. When his nation asked him to be on call against possible surprise attacks, Bush wasn't there."

The newly released records show Bush, a lieutenant in the Texas Air National Guard, ranked No. 22 in a class of 53 pilots when he finished his flight training at Moody Air Force Base in Georgia in 1969.

Over the next three years, he logged 326.4 hours as a pilot and an additional 9.9 hours as a co-pilot, mostly in the F-102A jet used to intercept enemy aircraft. Of the 278 hours he flew in the interceptor, about 77 hours were in the TF-102A, the two-seat trainer version of the one-seat fighter jet.

The records show his last flight was in April 1972, which is consistent with pay records indicating Bush had a lapse of duty between April and October of that year. Bush has said he had permission to go to Alabama in 1972 to work on an unsuccessful Republican Senate campaign. Bush skipped a required medical exam that cost him his pilot's status in August of that year.

Bush's 2000 campaign suggested the future president skipped his medical exam in part because the F-102A was nearly obsolete. Records show Bush's Texas unit flew the F-102A until 1974 and used the jets as part of an air defense drill during 1972.

A six-month historical record of his 147th Fighter Interceptor Group, also turned over to the AP on Tuesday, shows some of the training Bush missed with his colleagues during that time.

It showed the unit joined a "24-hour active alert mission to safeguard against surprise attack" in the southern United States beginning on Oct. 6, 1972, a mission for which Bush was not present, according to his pay records.


Bush's lone service in October was outside Texas, presumably with an Alabama unit he had permission to train with in September, October and November 1972.

As part of the mission, the 147th kept two F-102A jets -- the same type Bush flew before he was grounded -- on ready alert to be launched within five minutes' warning.

The records also show Bush made a grade of 88 on total airmanship and a perfect 100 for flying without navigational instruments, operating a T-38 System and studying applied aerodynamics. Other scores ranged from 89 in flight planning to 98 in aviation physiology.

The newly released records do not include any from five categories of documents Bush's commanders had been required to keep in response to the gaps in Bush's training in 1972 and 1973. For example, National Guard commanders were required to perform an investigation whenever any pilot skipped a medical exam and forward the results up the Air Force chain of command. No such documents have surfaced.
I love the way records were supposedly released in full to the public with great fanfare a long time ago, but it turns out that a lawsuit found more records.

EDIT: more information unearthed in these records indicates direct evidence that his superiors were pressured to whitewash his records. See page 2 of this thread.
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I'm shocked.
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Now will this really matter? Or does everything negative about Bush get forgotten in a few days after a massive counter mudsling :(
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Meest wrote:Now will this really matter? Or does everything negative about Bush get forgotten in a few days after a massive counter mudsling :(
Naturally, Bush will simply let his 527 dogs handle the situation by attacking Kerry for his actions when he actually showed up for duty.
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It should matter, but it won't. The United States is full of people who couldn't give two shits about honesty and integrity.
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BoredShirtless wrote:It should matter, but it won't. The United States is full of people who couldn't give two shits about honesty and integrity.
Yes, our culture is pathetic in that regard when you think about it. :oops:
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The question is: will this get even a fraction of the publicity that the anti-Kerry ads have been getting? His unit got called up to duty. HE DIDN'T SHOW UP. I can't wait for Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, et al to spin-doctor this, if they even acknowledge its existence ... :roll:

Not to mention the fact that these records surfaced months after Bush supposedly released all the records. And there are still more records missing (see the last paragraph of the article).
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Darth Wong wrote:The question is: will this get even a fraction of the publicity that the anti-Kerry ads have been getting? His unit got called up to duty. HE DIDN'T SHOW UP. I can't wait for Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, et al to spin-doctor this, if they even acknowledge its existence ... :roll:

Not to mention the fact that these records surfaced months after Bush supposedly released all the records. And there are still more records missing (see the last paragraph of the article).
One can only hope that the Democrats pounce on this right here and now or utilize it to their advantage during the debates next month.
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JME2 wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:The question is: will this get even a fraction of the publicity that the anti-Kerry ads have been getting? His unit got called up to duty. HE DIDN'T SHOW UP. I can't wait for Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, et al to spin-doctor this, if they even acknowledge its existence ... :roll:

Not to mention the fact that these records surfaced months after Bush supposedly released all the records. And there are still more records missing (see the last paragraph of the article).
One can only hope that the Democrats pounce on this right here and now or utilize it to their advantage during the debates next month.
Of course, I'm not going to get my hopes up on that prospect, given how they've woefully gone after the gold in Dubay's stupidity.
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Darth Wong wrote:The question is: will this get even a fraction of the publicity that the anti-Kerry ads have been getting? His unit got called up to duty. HE DIDN'T SHOW UP. I can't wait for Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, et al to spin-doctor this, if they even acknowledge its existence ... :roll:
Doubtful...given how many other oppurtunities Kerry has missed.

As for Spin doctoring I'm sure they relate he had something to do somewhere else of vital importance...etc.
Not to mention the fact that these records surfaced months after Bush supposedly released all the records. And there are still more records missing (see the last paragraph of the article).
True, and saddest part is, if Kerry's guys had an iota of intelligence they would put as much pressure on Bush as he did about Vietnam on Kerry.
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Ghost Rider wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:The question is: will this get even a fraction of the publicity that the anti-Kerry ads have been getting? His unit got called up to duty. HE DIDN'T SHOW UP. I can't wait for Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, et al to spin-doctor this, if they even acknowledge its existence ... :roll:
Doubtful...given how many other oppurtunities Kerry has missed.

As for Spin doctoring I'm sure they relate he had something to do somewhere else of vital importance...etc.
Not sure, but I think I remember hearing last night that this was during the time that Bush was campaigning for someone for senate I believe. Anyone know about this?
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The Kerry campaign needs to learn how to do a proper counterstrike. It's not enough to ignore an attack, and it's not enough to defend against an attack. You have to find a way to leverage the attack against the attacker.

For example, instead of this "let's not focus on what happened 35 years ago" tactic (which comes off sounding evasive), Kerry should hit it head-on, by standing up himself and saying something like "President Bush's supporters charge that I exaggerated my service in Vietnam. They say that my wounds were not severe enough. They say that my actions under fire were not brave enough. My shipmates say otherwise. But no one on either side can deny that I was there. I went to Vietnam, I saw combat, I faced the enemy. I know what it feels like to go into combat, and neither President Bush, Vice President Cheney, or Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld can say that. Indeed, the only time President Bush was ever called up to duty, he did not show up, and the incident was quietly buried. This is part of a lifelong pattern of avoiding responsibility. He avoided his military duty in his youth, and he avoids taking responsibility for his mistakes to this very day, including the last 4 years! <segue into angry tirade against Bush mistakes of the last 4 years, complete with video clip of famous press-conference in which he refused admitting that he'd made a single mistake during his tenure as president>".

Hell, anything would be better than the limp-wristed response he's shown so far.
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Darth Wong wrote:The Kerry campaign needs to learn how to do a proper counterstrike. It's not enough to ignore an attack, and it's not enough to defend against an attack. You have to find a way to leverage the attack against the attacker.

For example, instead of this "let's not focus on what happened 35 years ago" tactic (which comes off sounding evasive), Kerry should hit it head-on, by standing up himself and saying something like "President Bush's supporters charge that I exaggerated my service in Vietnam. They say that my wounds were not severe enough. They say that my actions under fire were not brave enough. My shipmates say otherwise. But no one on either side can deny that I was there. I went to Vietnam, I saw combat, I faced the enemy. I know what it feels like to go into combat, and neither President Bush, Vice President Cheney, or Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld can say that. Indeed, the only time President Bush was ever called up to duty, he did not show up, and the incident was quietly buried. This is part of a lifelong pattern of avoiding responsibility. He avoided his military duty in his youth, and he avoids taking responsibility for his mistakes to this very day, including the last 4 years! <segue into angry tirade against Bush mistakes of the last 4 years, complete with quip of famous press-conference in which he refused admitting that he'd made a single mistake during his tenure as president>".

Hell, anything would be better than the limp-wristed response he's shown so far.
Quite honestly Mike, I think the thing Kerry may be afraid of is a Bush backlash saying, "I applauded you military record, and said your service was more honorable than mine. Why are you attacking me?" I know what your saying, and it does make sense. If Bush's supporters charge this, why can't Kerry do the same thing? I honestly think Kerry is fearful of the backlash. Thoughts?
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Talon Karrde wrote:I honestly think Kerry is fearful of the backlash. Thoughts?
You're down six points, there are 15 seconds left to play, and you're on your own 10 yard line. Do you play it safe, or go deep?
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Darth Wong wrote:
Talon Karrde wrote:I honestly think Kerry is fearful of the backlash. Thoughts?
You're down six points, there are 15 seconds left to play, and you're on your own 10 yard line. Do you play it safe, or go deep?
Good point. I agree with you, Kerry should take advantage of this, but if he goes according to pattern, he'll continue to "run the ball."
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You're down six points, there are 15 seconds left to play, and you're on your own 10 yard line. Do you play it safe, or go deep?
Hmm, he's not in that bad of shape, there's still two full months left. It's more like he's down a touchdown at the bottom of the 3rd quarter and his star running back just got injured.
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Talon Karrde wrote:Quite honestly Mike, I think the thing Kerry may be afraid of is a Bush backlash saying, "I applauded you military record, and said your service was more honorable than mine. Why are you attacking me?" I know what your saying, and it does make sense. If Bush's supporters charge this, why can't Kerry do the same thing? I honestly think Kerry is fearful of the backlash. Thoughts?
That is what he's afraid of. The point is that he shouldn't be. Bill Clinton hit his attackers back hard, and no one thought less of him because everyone saw him as simply defending himself. If Kerry responds to Bush's character assassination with a counter-attack instead of just defense, no one is going to think he's being an asshole. After all, Bush started it.

Now it's true that the Bush apologists will undoubtedly crow about how Kerry started it by "running on his military record" in the first place, which (in their minds) opens up the floodgates for all sorts of dirty tactics and character assassination. But the swing voters most likely wouldn't see it that way. That's what Clinton knew and what the DNC has apparently forgotten in its vigor to distance themselves from the Clinton administration and whine like little pussies without an actual response whenever someone attacks their candidate.
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Joe wrote:
You're down six points, there are 15 seconds left to play, and you're on your own 10 yard line. Do you play it safe, or go deep?
Hmm, he's not in that bad of shape, there's still two full months left. It's more like he's down a touchdown at the bottom of the 3rd quarter and his star running back just got injured.
Personally, I think the situation is much more grave than that. It's been said that Americans hate a loser, and he's looking like a loser. There is a sense that his campaign is circling the drain, and it's a reasonable point to make: if he can't run a strong campaign, how the fuck can he run a strong nation? He has to do something NOW.
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Wong defintity has a point here. There are alot of fence sitters that don't like either guy, but would be willing to vote Kerry if he showed some fucking guts (Today has opposed to 30 odd years ago). If Kerry wants to win this he has got to fire back and do it now.
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I can't believe that mutual wankfest RNC has actually swayed many to Bush's side of the ring again. It's truly mindboggling. Grown adults seem to lose all sense when they have a patriotic pissing contest infront of them. I don't really care for Kerry, but please, America, kick Bush the fuck out.
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I wonder if it would be better just to demand that he go back into Air National Guard service to make up his lost time. :lol:
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:I can't believe that mutual wankfest RNC has actually swayed many to Bush's side of the ring again. It's truly mindboggling. Grown adults seem to lose all sense when they have a patriotic pissing contest infront of them. I don't really care for Kerry, but please, America, kick Bush the fuck out.
The last four years have defied all logic; this is just another blip on the radar.
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SyntaxVorlon wrote:I wonder if it would be better just to demand that he go back into Air National Guard service to make up his lost time. :lol:
Actually, in one article it mentions that one of the punishments for not meeting the requirements is to be placed on active duty.

Maybe he'd get sent to Iraq. :lol:

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BoredShirtless wrote:It should matter, but it won't. The United States is full of people who couldn't give two shits about honesty and integrity.
Which is no different from any other country in the world.
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frigidmagi wrote:Wong defintity has a point here. There are alot of fence sitters that don't like either guy, but would be willing to vote Kerry if he showed some fucking guts (Today has opposed to 30 odd years ago). If Kerry wants to win this he has got to fire back and do it now.
The fact that Kerry has no political balls, is what got him to this place in the first place. I'm not a big Kerry guy, but some of the shit thrown his way IS shit. If he had the balls to slap it down and flig some back, he wouldn't be so vulnerable to the shit in the first place and he'd appeal to alot more moderates.
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