STGOD 4 OOC Thread (part 2)

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-09-08 07:26pm

Normally my crews wear vac suits in combat, but since you jumped them...

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2004-09-08 07:45pm

That's a shame. Well, Im not burning at dead husks. Once they go offline, Im leaving them alone. If there are any guys still in pressurized areas, they will not be harmed.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-08 09:01pm

Frigid, I assume you took into account the week-long transit time?

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-09-08 09:11pm

Yes, before the Veithan investgation begin, I posted my Ambassador handing a note to the Veithan government, give me a movement and I'll dig up the page...

It was a request to move through his territory, Marcoa accepted and give me other great goodies, intelligence on your movements for example in the sector, which are most likey generalizations at best I'll grant you. I'm sure we can hammer something out.

Well during the investagation, they moved into place. The order was if they did not hear a call to return by such and such date, they were to assume that the Hajr invaded the White Suns and we were at war.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-08 09:12pm

Cool. You posted the vessels leaving port?

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-09-08 09:13pm

Stormbringer wrote:Rogue 9 wrote:
It's not going to stop the war. You already have a war in your backyard.

Duh. Ever consider that we don't want to see that rest of the Alliance adding to it?

TO LATE!!!!

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-09-08 09:24pm

Bugsby, we didn't move out as one massive fleet until we meet at Veithan fleet, please edit.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-08 09:24pm

Ok, NOW I have a bone to pick.

I just checked back to my post on the bombing of Hudson. Since then, you've all made NO mention of fleets leaving your territories. Now, I might have missed something- but if you haven't, I have a problem with the way this was carried out (not with the action itself- it's hardly unexpected, and a very logical move.)

Major fleets leaving their home ports is hard to hide. If your ships were already out on maneuvers and the like, and left for my space from there, fine- assuming you declared the maneuvers. If not, I'd like to have this looked in to.

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2004-09-08 09:29pm

frigidmagi wrote:Bugsby, we didn't move out as one massive fleet until we meet at Veithan fleet, please edit.

Nothing wrong with my post. I was just tracking the Draconis. Aly had his fleets positioned around his core worlds. A large portion of them are no longer there. The "massive fleet" wasn't the whole unified UPA fleet, just Aly's portion of it. If you want, I can edit to make that clearer...

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2004-09-08 09:30pm

Thirdfain wrote:Ok, NOW I have a bone to pick.

I just checked back to my post on the bombing of Hudson. Since then, you've all made NO mention of fleets leaving your territories. Now, I might have missed something- but if you haven't, I have a problem with the way this was carried out (not with the action itself- it's hardly unexpected, and a very logical move.)

Major fleets leaving their home ports is hard to hide. If your ships were already out on maneuvers and the like, and left for my space from there, fine- assuming you declared the maneuvers. If not, I'd like to have this looked in to.

Yeah, that's what I was doing. Since they never posted "fleets leaving", I did it for them. Sorry guys. I know you want to get around to nuking Elysium, but we got seven days when you are in hyperspace and we have a chance to do some stuff at home....

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-08 09:34pm

I did post leaving. It was in the post with the massive reshuffling of forces. Nitram saw it.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-08 09:36pm

Cool, fair enough. And the Dracs?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-08 10:02pm

Wow, just wow.

Way to go forgoing the moral high ground. Abject slaughter of civilians is a wonderful way to go.

Elysium Quarter anyone?

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-09-08 10:02pm

It was pmed to Marcoa, frankly since he cleared it, I ran with it.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-09-08 10:02pm

Also we're aiming at your factories and ship wombs not your populations centers.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-08 10:05pm

Dude, it's a Cluster. It's a pressurized environment. You shoot capship missiles into it in enough places (Thousands are enough places) and she'll start to depressurize. Getting the industry without getting the Ousters who live and work amongst the tangle is impossible.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-09-08 10:08pm

Thirdfain wrote:

Dude, it's a Cluster. It's a pressurized environment. You shoot capship missiles into it in enough places (Thousands are enough places) and she'll start to depressurize. Getting the industry without getting the Ousters who live and work amongst the tangle is impossible.

So, your military shipyards are built in to your major population centers?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-08 10:09pm

Hotfoot wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:

Dude, it's a Cluster. It's a pressurized environment. You shoot capship missiles into it in enough places (Thousands are enough places) and she'll start to depressurize. Getting the industry without getting the Ousters who live and work amongst the tangle is impossible.
So, your military shipyards are built in to your major population centers?

You do realize the nature of Floater/Ouster society right? It's all one big space station.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-08 10:09pm

So, your military shipyards are built in to your major population centers?

Didn't anyone pay attention? My military shipyards are almost ALL in Eketrina and Known Space. Only a handful of escort slips are in Elysium. I told Frigid that Candaris was a training sight and source of manpower for the Hajr, not a shipyard!

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-09-08 10:12pm

Stormbringer wrote:You do realize the nature of Floater/Ouster society right? It's all one big space station.

It's a little silly to expect that major capital shipyards would be entirely untargetable for destruction without killing billions. Such a factory would have to be completely filled with homes and have no room for actually, well, building ships.

However, if this system does not have a major shipyard, that is something else entirely.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-08 10:13pm

So we're to understand that the birthplace of a major invasion fleet has no industry?!?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-08 10:14pm

Hotfoot wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:You do realize the nature of Floater/Ouster society right? It's all one big space station.
It's a little silly to expect that major capital shipyards would be entirely untargetable for destruction without killing billions. Such a factory would have to be completely filled with homes and have no room for actually, well, building ships.

However, if this system does not have a major shipyard, that is something else entirely.

Well, it's not like they're right there. But smashing the station enough to get the shipyards and other facilities, especially with missles, is going to totally FUBAR the entire station.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-08 10:14pm

It has no major shipyards! Frigid asked me for a system name, didn't specify one with major shipyards, and I gave him Candaris, telling him:

If you mean Elysium, then how about Candaris? It's one of the main sources of manpower for the Hajr, and has large training facilities for Hajr ground troops on the Cluster and on the planet below. It's heavily defended, of course, as any core system- but has no defensive fleets.

He then opened fire.

My major capital wombs are at Eketrina, with copies being built at Edean and outside of Jormungandr. This is no secret.

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2004-09-08 10:16pm

As I recall, the big deal with Ouster "re-entry" into known space is that they came into Hudson dragging their entire industry with them. This is all in the diplomacy thread, I believe....

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-08 10:17pm

Well damn it, we wanted his shipyards!