Korvan wrote:The only thing I object to is that they cremate the goats after it's all done. They should be used to make some tasty kababs. If that was the case, then I'd reccomend switch from using goats to lambs, not quite so tough.
That wouldn't work. The goats should be soaked with (some potentially very harmful) pharmaceuticals by the end, meaning they'd be not too terribly legal for human consumption.
Right, I forgot about those darn sedatives. And once the goat's dead, its 'lil liver won't be cleaning out its system anymore. Maybe if we come up with a sedative that's harmless to humans, yet also acts as a meat tendarizer.
Or just replace the sedative with a blow to the head.
Rogue 9 wrote:Hey, don't insult the goats! We kept goats when I was a kid. I have pictures of me being tackled by goat kids... Ah, the memories.
I maintain that they are evil hellspawn. Any pretense of being cute and lovable is only meant to lull you into a false sense of security so that they might impale you on their horns and suck out your soul.
But Goats are kosher! Don't slander these deliciuos, delicious creatures with your Satan and hellfire!
Being Kosher and delicious changes nothing. In fact, I say that goats were a prefered animal sacrifice for ancient Hebrews is because of their evilness. And eating them is symbolism for triumphing over evil. And the deliciousness is because evil is deceptively attractive.
Alyeska wrote:What the hell is wrong with UP Online and a communications degree?
It has nothing to do with research, whatsoever, and everything to do with making press releases and such. It was a jab more at their job description than anything else. I've seen several PETA "researchers" making claims and such in press releases, but here's the kicker: nothing that they say betrays any sort of research at all. "We do not believe that the use of animals is ethical or necessary.” You can see how long it took him to run the experiments that determined that. The thing is, they've ALL been like that. I suppose they might be "researching" philosophy or some shit, but if that's the case then why are they getting paid by someone to do it? I can easily come up with a philosopher who felt that hurting animals was wrong with a 10 minute Google search.
The point is that these people are not actual researchers, but instead use that as a catchy job-title designed to lend weight to their opinions, rather than letting their arguments stand for themselves.
So you weren't slamming online college and communications degrees, right?
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Joe wrote:God, I wish a bear would eat these people or something.
sorry we think they taste horrible, and are beneath consumption unless desperately hungry. Now we may kill them with a back paw blow on general purpse if they try and fuck with our right to eat salmon.
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Joe wrote:God, I wish a bear would eat these people or something.
sorry we think they taste horrible, and are beneath consumption unless desperately hungry. Now we may kill them with a back paw blow on general purpse if they try and fuck with our right to eat salmon.
But they're vegetarians. Wouldn't they taste better than us meat-eaters?
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Fuck, bears are omnivores, they will even eat carrion, but one has to draw the line somewhere. besides too many of those peta types can't even do vegitarian right, arrgh the no gluten, raw food veggies are the worst (living in a national park I find them very irritating especially when they go telling you how they want food done which is impossible to do in our kitchen, and act like it's their Right....)
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Stormbringer wrote:Can we get PETA volunteers to take the goats places?
Hey, why stop there?. If they've got their knickers in such a twist about animal rights why not have them take the place of all experimental animals?.
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Batman: What do these guys want anyway?
Superman: Take over the world... Or rob banks, I'm not sure.
Hm, wonder how many heart-attacks the film I've seen of the Army using flamethrowers on non-sedated pigs for burn research in the 50's would cause in PETA offices...
It left me feeling vaguely nauseated, that's for damn sure.
(edit) Blowtorches, not flamethrowers. A flamethrower wouldn't have left much to examine.
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They have to realize the difference between practicality and what is moral.
It might be wrong according to several ethical theories, but I [think] they would be wrong according to Mill's or more modern versions of Utilitarianism. Even though part of utiltarianism considers the benefit of happiness to all, it should also stress the idea of what the greatest good is according to to the moral community.
People's needs are on a higher plane than other animal's needs, according to this doctrine, but they all count, so killing the goats for a well-reasoned and justified cause should produce more beneficial consequences, and since consequences matter, killing the goats would be and should be moral.
If there were no reason, it would not be moral. The end would justify the means.
I think the overal calcuation of happiness would be in favour of goat testing and battlefield practice for that reason? Comments?
