STGOD 4 OOC Thread (part 2)

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-09 06:36pm

such detection is not "old news" by more than a quarter of a second at the very most.

Regardless. In the dance of PD warfare, he's using missiles with a severe processor disadvantage ( a quarter second is a LOT to a PD computer,) and low fuel stores for the terminal run.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-09-09 06:36pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Straha wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:What, dont think a few of them will miss? 100% accuracy my ass.
Aly, walk up to the side of the empire state building, then cross the street so you can still face the center of that face of the building. Then throw a tennis ball at the building. Same principle, only a planet is a lot bigger.
Now increa your range to 3 kilometers, and use a cannon. Same principle. You will miss at least on occasion.

Aly, planets are big. Planets, are in fact, frieken huge. 3 kilometers distance from a planet is, by scale, shorter than crossing to the other side of 34th street and throwing said tennis ball at the Empire State Building. Much shorter, infact I doubt if you'd get off of the near sidewalk if you were only three kilometers away. But we can do this another way too. Pick up a basket ball. Hold it in one hand. Then use your other hand to point at the basket ball with your index finger. Then move your Index finger two inches away from the basket ball. Get it?

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2004-09-09 06:37pm

And Alyrium, keep in mind I'm not just hitting the planet. Im hitting the shield. If you shield is big enough to cover all your defensive satelits, that's at least one planetary diameter on either side. It's a REALLY FUCKIN BIG target. My ships, on the other hand, are relatively tiny and have the distinct ability to move.

You're not going to do any damage. Most will miss by a mile (literally), and the few that do come close will be EASY meat for my point defense. On the same token, I don't expect my bombardment to take down the shields. That comes later. Im just putting some pressure on so when I do come to take em down it will be a bit easier.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-09 06:38pm

Aly, planets are big. Planets, are in fact, frieken huge. 3 kilometers distance from a planet is, by scale, shorter than crossing to the other side of 34th street and throwing said tennis ball at the Empire State Building. Much shorter, infact I doubt if you'd get off of the near sidewalk if you were only three kilometers away. But we can do this another way too. Pick up a basket ball. Hold it in one hand. Then use your other hand to point at the basket ball with your index finger. Then move your Index finger two inches away from the basket ball. Get it?

the distances are longer, your fleet is probably over 100,000 kilometers out. Never the less, your point stands.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-09 06:39pm

He isnt two inches away however, he is LIGHT SECONDS away, many many planetary diameters away.

I would say 90% accuracy, but statistically, 100% is impossible. Hell, even our guided missiles sometimes miss. Then there is this thing called eCM, what a lovely thing that is.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-09 06:39pm

I would say 90% accuracy, but statistically, 100% is impossible. Hell, even our guided missiles sometimes miss. Then there is this thing called eCM, what a lovely thing that is.

I would argue with you, but it's clear it's just not getting through.

Modstick, please?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-09 06:41pm

I will simply conceede. the damn point.

(Though my post would be valid the way i worded it if even 1 missied outright due to a computer malfunction)

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-09 06:43pm

I would say 90% accuracy, but statistically, 100% is impossible. Hell, even our guided missiles sometimes miss. Then there is this thing called eCM, what a lovely thing that is.

Sorry, little edgy right now.

I can sit here attempting to trow this book out my dorm room window a foot away. I could do it all day, and probably won't miss once. Statistically? Yeah. Impossible. Effectively? Nope, not impossible.

As for ECM, it CAN'T HIDE THE PLANET. It's too damn big, what are you gonna do, launch decoys?

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-09-09 06:44pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:He isnt two inches away however, he is LIGHT SECONDS away, many many planetary diameters away.

I would say 90% accuracy, but statistically, 100% is impossible. Hell, even our guided missiles sometimes miss. Then there is this thing called eCM, what a lovely thing that is.

YOu had to be criminally incompetent to manage to miss a planet, even from light seconds out...

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-09 06:44pm

As for ECM, it CAN'T HIDE THE PLANET. It's too damn big, what are you gonna do, launch decoys?

That needs to be FUQed

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2004-09-09 06:46pm

posted a reply. That should satisfy everyone.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-09-09 06:50pm

Rogue 9 wrote:You honestly think Frigid is going to allow non-allied military grade anything into Lastport?

So suddenly the former OU is belligerant? Closing your borders to all civilian traffic is stupid, and given the fact that a cargo ship would require some sort of protection against pirates, and that it has only defensive weaponry, yes I do. His scans will indicate that there is absolutely nothing dangerous onboard except fuel.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-09 06:51pm

Beowulf wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:You honestly think Frigid is going to allow non-allied military grade anything into Lastport?
So suddenly the former OU is belligerant? Closing your borders to all civilian traffic is stupid, and given the fact that a cargo ship would require some sort of protection against pirates, and that it has only defensive weaponry, yes I do. His scans will indicate that there is absolutely nothing dangerous onboard except fuel.

No, suddenly you have a civilian freighter packing way the hell too much power, if not too much firepower. That'd look suspicious to me.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-09 06:55pm

Simple solution, dont give him landing clearance, and sy there isnt enough room to have him in a docking bay. Tell him to heave to, be inspected, and that he can transport himself and his cargo down once a vaccancy opens up(which could be a while, I expect many freighters are seeking asylum right now)

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-09-09 07:05pm

Rogue 9 wrote:No, suddenly you have a civilian freighter packing way the hell too much power, if not too much firepower. That'd look suspicious to me.

FTL requires a lot of power. Too much firepower? It's got defensive weaponry only. It can't fight, only run. A completely unarmed freighter would be suspicous if it showed up by itself considering that it would have to brave pirates to get there, and how did it get to Lastport without getting captured? Ditto shields.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-09 07:07pm

Yes, I said it didn't have too much firepower, so you wouldn't think I was talking about weapons when I said it had too much power. You have a military grade reactor, but not the military grade systems to require so much extra power. So, where's it going? And if it's not going anywhere, what else do you use antimatter for?

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-09-09 07:08pm

Beowulf wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:No, suddenly you have a civilian freighter packing way the hell too much power, if not too much firepower. That'd look suspicious to me.
FTL requires a lot of power. Too much firepower? It's got defensive weaponry only. It can't fight, only run. A completely unarmed freighter would be suspicous if it showed up by itself considering that it would have to brave pirates to get there, and how did it get to Lastport without getting captured? Ditto shields.

And then you'll have the reactor blow up and take a large portion of a city with you?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-09 07:09pm

again, let him wait outside.

Most civies have fusion or even fision reactors I would think, an anti-matter reactor is overkill to the point of being suspect on a civilian ship.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-09 07:10pm

At least at the time of STGOD1, civilian ships used largely fusionn or fission power. Antimatter is just too dangerous for day to day usage.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-09-09 07:17pm

Dahak wrote:And then you'll have the reactor blow up and take a large portion of a city with you?

Logically, you'd put the spaceport outside the city, so accidents don't effect it too much. And so, no.

And how many pirate ships did we have at the time of STGOD1? Back then, you had no fear of pirates, so there wouldn't be as much of a need for a set of shields, or defensive weaponry, etc.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-09 07:17pm

There was an entire pirate kingdom in STGOD1. They were a big problem, one of the big things the Floaters did which made them good guys was hunt pirtates a LOT.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-09-09 07:20pm

Thirdfain wrote:There was an entire pirate kingdom in STGOD1. They were a big problem, one of the big things the Floaters did which made them good guys was hunt pirtates a LOT.

OK... so I'm getting senile...

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-09 07:21pm

After 12 it's all downhill

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-09-09 07:27pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Yes, I said it didn't have too much firepower, so you wouldn't think I was talking about weapons when I said it had too much power. You have a military grade reactor, but not the military grade systems to require so much extra power. So, where's it going? And if it's not going anywhere, what else do you use antimatter for?

Hmm... you see, you had a phrasing error there, which caused a parsing error. And most of the power is going to the shield system.

Shields require alot of power. Though if you're so insistant, I can increase the shield power...

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-09 07:29pm

No, no you cant... they wont fit on a freighter with a 20 ton cargo capacity as it is...