STGOD 4 OOC Thread (part 2)

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-09-09 07:35pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:No, no you cant... they wont fit on a freighter with a 20 ton cargo capacity as it is...

Really? Why not? We see shield systems on shuttlecraft in ST. This is quite a bit larger.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-09 07:47pm

SHielding yes, military grade shielding no. Not at the level of a Corvette,which are designed to survive in a warzone.

Marcao · Post by **Marcao** » 2004-09-09 08:09pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:SHielding yes, military grade shielding no. Not at the level of a Corvette,which are designed to survive in a warzone.

I don't find the idea of having military grade shielding on shuttle craft to be that far fetched. In several Star Trek: TNG and more interestingly Star Trek Deep Space Nine we see shuttle craft take a few hits from larger vessels and still survive. I agree that a shuttle craft would likely not have shields to the level of a corvette which is a larger and more powerful ship, but they are not exactly flying coffins either. The Maki(sp?) in DS9 possessed a fleet predominantly of attack shuttles if memory serves. I remember several episodes when a handful of shuttles attacking a large ships (typically Klingon) could give a good account of themselves. And granted, such sillyness would not directly carry over (Imagining a handful of attack shuttles doing an attack run on an Ouster Cataphract or anything equivalent makes me laugh) but the precedent is there in Star Trek. Remember, we use Star Trek to set some hard limits and inspiration not as the gospel. At least that is the way I look at things.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-09-09 08:12pm

People do realize that shuttlecraft and runabouts were military vessels, right?

Marcao · Post by **Marcao** » 2004-09-09 08:13pm

SirNitram wrote:People do realize that shuttlecraft and runabouts were military vessels, right?

yup. I imagine there would be civilian versions of shuttle craft, but what I am talking about is the shuttle craft and runabout that Starfleet and other navies utilize.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-09-09 08:16pm

Marcao wrote:
SirNitram wrote:People do realize that shuttlecraft and runabouts were military vessels, right?
yup. I imagine there would be civilian versions of shuttle craft, but what I am talking about is the shuttle craft and runabout that Starfleet and other navies utilize.

Indeed. Military grade small craft. Which are not civilian grade. You know, not a good example to use for Oni to have a freighter with any combat power that won't be stopped by everyone.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-09 08:17pm

Marcao wrote:(Imagining a handful of attack shuttles doing an attack run on an Ouster Cataphract or anything equivalent makes me laugh)

True, but then that's why I (and anyone else who comprehends the concept of a force multiplier) have heavy bombers. No shit I'm not going to use C-420s for ship assault.

(Boarding is another matter, but not the attack.)

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-09 08:17pm

is a shuttle going to have shielding on par with a small capitalship? No... a freighter is a civvie vessel, and would hve less shielding, and certainly not an anti-matter reactor

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2004-09-09 08:18pm

I would *think* in most nations it'd be very illegal for unlicensed ships to carry military grade equipment.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-09 08:19pm

(Boarding is another matter, but not the attack.)

Have fun boarding a Cataphract. You might win, if you have enough troops, but casualties will be sick.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-09 08:20pm

SHit even in my nation, we have a few limits, and that is that you may not park ananti-matter driven ship within blast radius of anything that could possibly be alive

Marcao · Post by **Marcao** » 2004-09-09 08:21pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:is a shuttle going to have shielding on par with a small capitalship? No... a freighter is a civvie vessel, and would hve less shielding, and certainly not an anti-matter reactor

Heck no on the first point. And yes, a freighter is civilian and is inherently limited on some regards. You could tweak one out, but you would be inherently limited by the baseline and ultimately, I think that SirNitram already pointed out the biggest problem with Oni's current ride. Possessing a M/AM reactor does not help either. Ultimately, I believe that Oni would be best served by having something far stealthier. There are times when driving a toyota corolla will get you into places that a Humvee with bullet proof windows and added armor will not.

Marcao · Post by **Marcao** » 2004-09-09 08:21pm

InnocentBystander wrote:I would *think* in most nations it'd be very illegal for unlicensed ships to carry military grade equipment.

I would imagine so. It is in Veitha.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-09-09 08:21pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:SHit even in my nation, we have a few limits, and that is that you may not park ananti-matter driven ship within blast radius of anything that could possibly be alive

I beleive here is where I laugh. Evilly.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-09 08:21pm

Thirdfain wrote:
(Boarding is another matter, but not the attack.)
Have fun boarding a Cataphract. You might win, if you have enough troops, but casualties will be sick.

It was an example. For a Marine boarding operation, I'd be using those transports, much like I did on that weapons smuggler back when the occupation on Ix'agal was new and you were still actively blowing shit up. I doubt I'll be trying to board a Cataphract, but that was the ship at hand.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-09 08:23pm

SirNitram wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:SHit even in my nation, we have a few limits, and that is that you may not park ananti-matter driven ship within blast radius of anything that could possibly be alive
I beleive here is where I laugh. Evilly.

There is a thing called a joke

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-09 08:23pm

Ah, right. Cool stuff. You write pretty good ground actions, I hope this war matures long enough for me to see Ouster Stratiotoi make war on Nashtar Republican Marines...

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2004-09-09 08:23pm

Marcao wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:is a shuttle going to have shielding on par with a small capitalship? No... a freighter is a civvie vessel, and would hve less shielding, and certainly not an anti-matter reactor
Heck no on the first point. And yes, a freighter is civilian and is inherently limited on some regards. You could tweak one out, but you would be inherently limited by the baseline and ultimately, I think that SirNitram already pointed out the biggest problem with Oni's current ride. Possessing a M/AM reactor does not help either. Ultimately, I believe that Oni would be best served by having something far stealthier. There are times when driving a toyota corolla will get you into places that a Humvee with bullet proof windows and added armor will not.

heh, it doesn't have to be a humvee

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2004-09-09 08:42pm

Gosh, it suddenly got very quiet...

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-09-09 08:47pm

InnocentBystander wrote:Gosh, it suddenly got very quiet...

Be Vewwwy Quiet, we're hunting wabbits.

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2004-09-09 08:53pm

Straha wrote:
InnocentBystander wrote:Gosh, it suddenly got very quiet...
Be Vewwwy Quiet, we're hunting wabbits.

Yes, we are

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-09 09:06pm

Danielsben, it's a 2-3 day trip to the White Suns from the area around the Draconis, and proabaly almost a day to Nashtar.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-09 09:14pm

Actually, Danielsben, I'm gonna need to insist you place your nation on the map.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-09 09:24pm

Even more problems!

Danielsben you launched fleets when I hit the White Suns. That was, in game, an HOUR ago.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-09 09:26pm

Danielsben, please try to pay attention. That wasn't my territory, it was the occupation zone on Ix'agal, which I was abandoning anyway.