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Explosion rocks vincinity of Australian Embassy, Jakarta

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Once more, the Apolyton-Civilization boards reports the news faster than CNN or AP. (it was a local who posted, he lives a mile away from the event) Found an article on BBC.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-p ... 639922.stm
Massive blast at Jakarta embassy


The assumption is that the explosion was a car bomb
Six people are believed to have died in a massive blast outside the Australian embassy in Jakarta, the Australian prime minister has said.
John Howard said it was thought the explosion was a car bomb.

The BBC's Rachel Harvey in Jakarta says the blast left a large crater in the ground and damaged nearby buildings and motor vehicles.

Helicopters, ambulances and police units are at the site, in Kuningen, a district to the south of the city.

Witnesses and reporters say they saw at least three bodies lying lifeless after the blast, which happened at about 1030 local time (0330 GMT).

Mr Howard told a news conference in Melbourne "the number of fatalities could be six. We can not at this stage be certain, but the evidence today indicates that it was a car bomb."

Local radio reports scores injured.

Our correspondent says there has been no word from Indonesian authorities on the blast yet, but the assumption is that it was a bomb.

She says the embassy itself is well protected by a security fence, and reports from inside suggest it did not sustain a lot of damage.

A huge crowd of onlookers has massed, and plumes of smoke are rising into the air above the site of the blast.

Bloody history

Our correspondent says Western embassies recently raised their security alerts, saying that they had credible intelligence that an attack on the Indonesian capital was planned.

It looks now as though their worst fears may have been realised, she says.

In August 2003, 12 people including the suicide bomber died in a bomb blast outside Jakarta's Marriott hotel - close to the spot of Thursday's explosion.

In October 2002, 202 people died in twin bombings on the island of Bali. Most of the dead were Australian.

The militant Islamic group Jemaah Islamiah is widely blamed for both bombings, and our correspondent says it is likely to be the primary suspect behind this suspected attack.

The blast also comes ahead of presidential elections on 20 September.


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Six dead? Were they Aussies? Or Indonesians? The article was vague on that point.

Damn, this is the first I've heard of it. :(
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Report on the evening news said no injuries. That's... hard to believe.
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My radio news (triple M) tells me, at least six dead, none of them Aussie embassy staff, and "hundreds" injured.
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From what I've read, apparently at least seven buildings had there windows completely shattered, that much flying glass will easily wound hundreds, and I wouldn't be surprised if more dead turn up in all those buildings.
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7-8 dead, according to two separate news channels, hundreds wounded, but all Aussie embassy staff are accounted for - which I'm thankful for. Fucking terrorists. :x
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Considering the size of the mushroom cloud.... http://www.dn.se/content/1/c6/30/91/32/jakarta4252.jpg
Then it was lucky that less then a dozen people died.
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Dark Primus wrote:Considering the size of the mushroom cloud.... http://www.dn.se/content/1/c6/30/91/32/jakarta4252.jpg
Then it was lucky that less then a dozen people died.
Wow.
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This just in: Apparently JI took responsibility for the attacks.
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Thank God the Australian embesey was built to very specific codes and reinforced to withstand just this kind of attack. The windows blew in on the front, but structualy the building is completly intact.
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Great..JI again. Is anyone else filled with a complete lack of confidence in the indonesian policing of terrorists? I mean, didnt they just let go of one of the bomb-makers for Bali due to some legal loophole? And wasnt the leader released from prison, that Ali-bakar Bashir?

We were lucky this time, in that Australian citizens didnt get harmed, but what I really dont get about these fucktard coward bombers, is that everytime they do this, innocent indonesians are getting killed by this? Great fuckin idea, promote your cause against the infidel by ending up killing more of your own people than your enemy.

More to the point, so far we've only been attacked inside Indonesia. How long before they strike actually inside australia. Seems that JI is all for that as well.

I seriously cant even think why we are being attacked. Yes we sent troops to Iraq, yes we participated in Afghanistan. But at what point have we ever threatened Indonesia?? Its cowardly bullshit, and if they catch the bomb makers, I think they should be disposed of very publicly. :evil:

Sorry for the rant, but this is just getting pathetic
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I think it's because the people doing the bombings call themselves Muslims, they believe their people are being persecuted by the US and it's friends. To the Indonesians, we're just conveniently nearby.
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PM says JI claim has no proof
PM Howard and M. Latham have stated the claim has not yet been verified, the article wrote:Indonesian and Australian investigators both say the bombing bears the hallmarks of a JI operation.

Mr Howard says he cannot verify the statement, which has been posted on an Arabic web site.

"I don't know whether that is a genuine message from Jemaah Islamiah or not," he said.

"Sometimes these web site messages turn out to be fraudulent."

Labor leader Mark Latham says he wants further briefings before commenting about whether Jemaah Islamiah is behind the attacks.

"That's not something's that been confirmed as a credible claim to my understanding," he said.

"That's one of the issues I'll be raising in the security briefing this afternoon to get an assessment of the credibility of that claim."
Also Australia is "one of the worst enemies of God!" :lol:
Pellaeon's Scion wrote:We were lucky this time, in that Australian citizens didnt get harmed, but what I really dont get about these fucktard coward bombers, is that everytime they do this, innocent indonesians are getting killed by this? Great fuckin idea, promote your cause against the infidel by ending up killing more of your own people than your enemy.
I don't think you truly understand how terrorism operates. Terrorism is NOT like Guerrilla warfare, where the Guerrilla's motive is to win the hearts and minds of the populace against the bad regime. Terrorism's ultimate goal is to spread terror through a variety of criminal means - yes, they have a political message, but instead of trying to 'win you over' they try instead to make you afraid of them. Fear is power, after all. A terrorised population is less likely to do something than a non-intimidated country.

I know it sounds like twisted logic, but what they're trying to do is associate the image of us - our embassy - with the bloodshed of the Indonesian people. In a way they're saying "Hey, our people would still be alive if it weren't for those infidels and their filthy presence here. Blame them, not us! They forced our hand." Bullshit, but that's the kind of arseholes who go around blowing up people for 'a cause'.
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Gandalf wrote:I think it's because the people doing the bombings call themselves Muslims, they believe their people are being persecuted by the US and it's friends. To the Indonesians, we're just conveniently nearby.
Actualy its highly improbable our involvement with Iraq and the US is the reason they hate us, its just a convenient media excuse. The reason they hate us is beacuse of our involvement with East Timor and helping them to indepencence.
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it is very twisted and sick logic. I think Im glad I dont truely understand it :(

It just seems insane to me, particularly the part of "blame them, not us". We didnt set the bombs, we didnt contribute to the slaughter of people just for some backwards religious ethic.

And why would helping Timor gain independance annoy a muslim extreme faction anyway?

just doesnt make sense to me...I think Ill stop thinking about it.
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pellaeons_scion wrote:it is very twisted and sick logic. I think Im glad I dont truely understand it :(
I'm studying this shit at Uni, I have no choice but to try and understand it. :(
And why would helping Timor gain independance annoy a muslim extreme faction anyway?
Because the East Timorese were seen as being part of Indonesia, even though they didn't want to be, and our presence there was seen as insulting in its interference with an 'internal Indonesian affair'. Never mind the fact the TNI sponsored militia were roving the country and terrorising the East Timorese. Great way at solving an internal affair. :roll:
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And why would helping Timor gain independance annoy a muslim extreme faction anyway?
I always had this idea that the JI attacks on Australia weren't actually a muslim vs the west thing, but rather an indonesia vs austraia thing.

I don't know why, but them being muslim and wanting to get rid of indfidels never quite gelled with me as the reason they were attacking us.
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If it is just that, whats the big problem with us? This is what I dont get. it has a larger military, greater population, and I would think more powerful than us in most ways.

In particular even the idea of christian vs muslim doesnt sound right, we arnt exactly a conservatively christian people. We dont oppress religions, or expressions of ideas, we dont vilify or torment muslims or other religions. So why this hatred enough to try and kill our people? Or was our interaction in Timor enough to put their noses out of joint to declare us some sort of vicious enemy?
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pellaeons_scion wrote:If it is just that, whats the big problem with us? This is what I dont get. it has a larger military, greater population, and I would think more powerful than us in most ways.
No way. We're much more capable than the TNI. At least I think we are... one of my Uni tutours also happens to be a Lt. Colonel in the ADF-reserves and he essentially told our class that we're the top dog in the region. He had done some research into it, and I'm not one to make an appeal to authority but it sounds plausible to my ears. Also someone like Vympel would be able to vouch for what he said. At the very least I believe it.

There was some news the other week about Australia purchasing long range cruise missiles, which was supposed to increase our capability even more. I understand the Indonesians were upset. 8)
In particular even the idea of christian vs muslim doesnt sound right, we arnt exactly a conservatively christian people.
Wanna bet? Perhaps not christian per se, but certainly conservative.
We dont oppress religions, or expressions of ideas, we dont vilify or torment muslims or other religions.
This depends on how you view detention centres, or more appropriately, how THEY view our detention centres. As for the expression of ideas, a few things have been banned for simply being controversial (I'm talking about art in particular).
Or was our interaction in Timor enough to put their noses out of joint to declare us some sort of vicious enemy?
East Timor strained our relations with Indonesia significantly, because like I said - they viewed it as a foreign country interfering in an internal matter. Right and wrong doesn't come into it: they, the Indonesians, resented our presence in ET. It's not that simple of course, but it's what you can distill it to in a nutshell.
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pellaeons_scion wrote:If it is just that, whats the big problem with us? This is what I dont get. it has a larger military, greater population, and I would think more powerful than us in most ways.
No way. We're much more capable than the TNI. At least I think we are... one of my Uni tutours also happens to be a Lt. Colonel in the ADF-reserves and he essentially told our class that we're the top dog in the region. He had done some research into it, and I'm not one to make an appeal to authority but it sounds plausible to my ears. Also someone like Vympel would be able to vouch for what he said. At the very least I believe it.
The TNI are a bunch of clueless thugs who are nowhere *NEAR* our level of training on the ground. They may have more personal in their army then we do, but only a tiny insignifigant fraction of it are trained to anywhere near our levels of training. They way outnumber us in raw power, but they have nothing in the way of the same level of ground, navy or air power, though with their SU-30MMK's they are starting to acheive parity in the air in a limited way, at least theoreticaly. Though they still lack the legs for attacks on Aus.
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Sorry I should have said 'raw numbers'. Not 'raw power'.
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http://www.ntu.edu.sg/idss/Perspective/ ... 050221.htm
Interesting to hear those views of comparitive military capabilities, but the nation itself isnt a imminent threat.

I went and tried to find out what exactly this bunch of nutcases want, and I came up with this. Seems their over-reaching idea is that of an Islamic superstate (probably just copied the idea of Osama). Also an interview on ABC discussing about JI and the Bali bombing. What disturbed me was the comment by Ali Bakar Bashir, the head of JI about us:
We reject all of your beliefs. We reject all of your ideologies. We reject all of your teachings that are associated with social issues, economics or beliefs. Between you and us there will forever be a ravine of hate and we will be enemies until you follow Allah's law
And this is what he preaches. And this is what his followers believe. He preaches not so much violence against a faith as an entire way of life. From that interview, it seems that because of our suport in the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, that makes us an even more viable target. That we were killing their brothers over there makes us as guilty as the US.

But hang on, these wars were fought for reasons other than a clash between faiths weren't they? I dont see our leaders exhorting battle agasint the evil muslims? I don't agree with the reasons we went to war in Iraq, but to skew the reasons for it to a religious perspective seems self-serving at best.


Also, they have attacked Australians and see us as part of the great evil, if thats the case why havent they struck at the US, or british embassies or the like? Or were we just a nice easy target, without the military might of the US to be able to move in and strike back at them.

Stofsk, its interesting what you said about us being conservative. I guess I never really thought of us that way. And I can see, that without all the facts our detention camps may be seen as oppressive.

bah terrorists. cowards and scum. I know theres the adage of one mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter, but nothing they have done is laudable in any sense of the word. They do not fight for freedom, but fight to oppress the very idea that any other way of life is evil.
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shit forgot the url for the interview
http://abcasiapacific.com/cause/network/feature_1_9.htm
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