Kerry Supports AWB. Rev. Jackson tired.

[Sea Skimmer]

Maybe i'm wrong, but to me i cant imagine why anyone would need an automatic weapon AT ALL.

Why do you need a computer and the internet?

And no i don't think people should be allowed to own them either. We have enough crime where i live, people getting killed over things as trival as a peice of chcken (i kid you not, it actually happened here, while ago), and that's with semi-auto weapons, handguns.

Which are cheep, and concealable, the vital requirements for a weapon you're going to use in crime. A fully automatic rifle is not concealable, cheep or easy to obtain.

So i really would resent some gun fanatics passing a law that says any two bit gun slinger can get his mits on a fucking assualt weapon.

I really resent people who clearly don't know anything about guns trying to limit what I can illegally buy and use with a steam of utter bullshit.

It's not that i think people shouldnt own guns. My mom owns several rifles, shotguns and pistols (mostly because she was stalked by my psycho dad for years). But i think that there should be a LIMIT as to what a person is allowed to own.

Thats nice. Your limit however is not based on sound reasoning in any way.

Now dont everyone jump down my throat about 'rights to bear arms' and such, i have a right too, to not have to live in terror of psychpaths flooding the streets with automatic weapons, mmkay.

Nice scaremongering bullshit. We all know that's exactly what the US was like before this law.

Sorry if it bursts your bubble, but most people here who want to buy assault weapons are criminals who, gasp, want to kill people with them.

Prove your bullshit. Prove that criminals want expensive hard to conceal weapons. We all know how firepower is SO vital to your ability to rob a convenience store, and you always want a very big expensive gun you will then need to dump to facilitate your stealing of a few hundred dollars.

Not hunters, not collectors, and not people defending tehir homes. A few are, of course, but honestly how many normal, non-criminal folks would really want an automatic rifle?

Millions easily.

It's not a toy, it's a killing machine, and most killing machines, unfortunately, are extremely proficient in tehir function.

Yeah, in the hands of a trained individual. Know what happens when some moronic gang bannger gets an automatic weapon, they blast away on full automatic and hit absolutely nothing because you can't aim and control a gun that way.

Now i'm not for expanding the AWB. Not at all. All i ask is that people not give criminals carte blanche to buy the most deadly small arms they can find. They're bad enough with handguns and such.

You're a fucking idiot. Repealing the Assault Weapon Ban does not convert US gun laws in a fucking open flee market.

So to conclude this: AWB isnt stupid, it's at least nessecary, probably very much so.

No, its extremely stupid as it restricts weapons criminals don't use with a retarded string of regulations that accomplish absolutely nothing to reduce the usefulness of guns for crime but do severely limited what a law abiding citzen collector can have for his own enjoyment.

I'm not for expanding it or banning guns entirely, but limited what people can get their hands on will make me and a lot of the general public feel safer.

Yes, you will feel safer, because you are an idiot who is clearly too stupid to know that this law does not make you safer at all.

Mind you this is just my opinion and an observation based on watching the news, gangs, etc.

That's great, you claim its just your opinion but want it it to be crammed down the throats of the nation.

If anyone has a better idea, i'm open to it, but assault weapons are dangerous are from my perspective should be either extremely expensive so that most average citizens and gang bngers cant buy them, or illegal.

From the perspective known as reality only about 0.01% of the 200 million guns in the country have or ever will used in a crime, and for murders of all types rifles are the weapon in only 3% and shotguns in 5%, a total of only 8% of the nations murders. As many people are killed with blunt objects and knifes as with those types of weapons. And if you look at the total number of violent crimes rather then the death tolls, then firearms are only involved in about 10%. 75% of the nations violent crime involves no weapon at all.

[Tasoth]

I'm all in favor of making people who want to buy Assault weapons jumping through hoops just to get their grubby little fingers on one. Even with the AWB, criminals will still get them. All the Ban does is prevent a non-criminal citizen from buying one, which why one would want an Assault rifle outside collecting purposes I have no idea, but it won't stop a person who wants one bad enough for criminal deeds from getting one.

[Beowulf]

I'm all in favor of making people who want to buy Assault weapons jumping through hoops just to get their grubby little fingers on one. Even with the AWB, criminals will still get them. All the Ban does is prevent a non-criminal citizen from buying one, which why one would want an Assault rifle outside collecting purposes I have no idea, but it won't stop a person who wants one bad enough for criminal deeds from getting one.

So you're in favor of making cosmetic modifications illegal? Functionally, a Mini-14 is not much different from an AR-15. But the AR-15 looks evil and must be banned!

Of course, if you're talking about a real Assault Weapon, those have been banned from manufacture since 1986, and restricted since 1934, because they are FULLY AUTOMATIC!

And you said yourself, bans won't stop a person who wants one bad enough for criminal deeds from getting one.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Sorry if it bursts your bubble, but most people here who want to buy assault weapons are criminals who, gasp, want to kill people with them.

Wrong. Most criminals want a cheap ass pistol they can stick inside their jacket and toss if nessecary, not a $1000 rifle that is impossible to conceal and whose advantages like range and accuracy are useless.

[Master of Ossus]

Sorry if it bursts your bubble, but most people here who want to buy assault weapons are criminals who, gasp, want to kill people with them.

Wrong. Most criminals want a cheap ass pistol they can stick inside their jacket and toss if nessecary, not a $1000 rifle that is impossible to conceal and whose advantages like range and accuracy are useless.

Seriously. 18, post the evidence you had when you came your bullshit conclusion.

[MKSheppard]

I move for every fuckshitted moron who spewed their mouth off
about MACHINE GUNS to be summarily executed
by having a 7.62mm Makarov cartridge case hammered into the
back of their skulls, NKVD style.

[Chardok]

I move for every fuckshitted moron who spewed their mouth off
about MACHINE GUNS to be summarily executed
by having a 7.62mm Makarov cartridge case hammered into the
back of their skulls, NKVD style.

A Techinicality a layperson and people who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground would not recognize, sadly.

Motion Seconded.

[Gil Hamilton]

That's funny. I tend to recognize avatars and read the post, rather than the name attached first and I thought for a second that Shep had seconded his own opinion like a schitzo.

Seriously though, education about guns within the general public would help, as a large amount of people have never even seen a gun in person let alone anything much about them.

[Master of Ossus]

That's funny. I tend to recognize avatars and read the post, rather than the name attached first and I thought for a second that Shep had seconded his own opinion like a schitzo.

I did, too.

Seriously though, education about guns within the general public would help, as a large amount of people have never even seen a gun in person let alone anything much about them.

Probably. Not only would that help keep dumb-asses from shooting themselves, but it would also help keep moronic legislation like the AWB from being passed in the first place.

[Gil Hamilton]

Probably. Not only would that help keep dumb-asses from shooting themselves, but it would also help keep moronic legislation like the AWB from being passed in the first place.

The obvious question though is "How?" While gun education is useful, the sort of people who support the AWB wouldn't attend educational events anyway and would raise holy hell if events were held in any place where they could do alot of good. There is a problem that gun education events would be preaching to the choir, because only the convinced would attend them in the first place.

[Master of Ossus]

The obvious question though is "How?" While gun education is useful, the sort of people who support the AWB wouldn't attend educational events anyway and would raise holy hell if events were held in any place where they could do alot of good. There is a problem that gun education events would be preaching to the choir, because only the convinced would attend them in the first place.

True. I wish I had a good way of dealing with these problems, but the anti-gun crowd has developed such a rabid response to any use or ownership of firearms (as our own 18 ably demonstrated) that they can no longer differentiate between effective legislation and ineffective stuff. Further, they demonstrate no willingness or desire to be educated about firearms.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Howie we miss you.

No shit.
Dean may have supported the existing AWB, but he didn't want to expand it and otherwise wanted to leave the gun issue up to the states.

He did? I thought he started on some pro-gun rhetoric that assholes leaped on and distorted?

[Ma Deuce]

Maybe i'm wrong, but to me i cant imagine why anyone would need an automatic weapon AT ALL.

Way to post your bullshit before even reading through the thread. Get this through your head: The AWB does NOT ban automatic weapons, it bans SEMI-AUTOMATIC weapons that happen to have certain cosmetic features that make them "scary-looking". Fully automatic weapons will be no easier to acquire when the ban expires on Monday then they are now.

[Glocksman]

I move for every fuckshitted moron who spewed their mouth off
about MACHINE GUNS to be summarily executed
by having a 7.62mm Makarov cartridge case hammered into the
back of their skulls, NKVD style.

Shouldn't that be 7.62 Tokarev?
To the best of my knowledge, Makarov never developed a 7.62 cartridge.

And for those who thought the AWB bans AK's, take a look at this.



This rifle would be banned under the AWB, right?
Wrong. I bought this rifle brand new last December for $350.
Surplus 30-round magazines were $25 for a pouch of 4.

What the AWB prohibited was the flash hider and bayonet lug that are normally found on AK's. Now if someone could tell me just how many drive by bayonetings have been prevented by the AWB, I'd be grateful.

And as others have pointed out, the Bradys and others of their ilk have shamelessly exploited the general public's ignorance of firearms in order to push for the ban.

"The semi-automatic weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons - anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun - can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons."

Josh Sugarmann, 1988, Director of the VPC.

Indeed.

[Glocksman]

Howie we miss you.

No shit.
Dean may have supported the existing AWB, but he didn't want to expand it and otherwise wanted to leave the gun issue up to the states.

He did? I thought he started on some pro-gun rhetoric that assholes leaped on and distorted?

Dean expressed support for maintaining the existing ban.
I didn't like that, but I could live with it seeing as GWB felt the same way.
I would have voted for Dean in the general election because he would have been an improvement on Bush overall.

Compared to Kerry, Dean is practically Mr. Gun Rights Heston himself.

It's vote third party time again for me.

[Knife]

What the AWB prohibited was the flash hider and bayonet lug that are normally found on AK's. Now if someone could tell me just how many drive by bayonetings have been prevented by the AWB, I'd be grateful.

Bwhahahahahahah, hahahahahaha. *wipes tear*

Really, the AWB was a cheap trick at best, and needs to go away. If they were seriously interested in dealing with gangland violence and shit, we'd seen banning of cheap midnight specials and a federal system that goes after gun use in a crime and then the crime.

[Beowulf]

What the AWB prohibited was the flash hider and bayonet lug that are normally found on AK's. Now if someone could tell me just how many drive by bayonetings have been prevented by the AWB, I'd be grateful.

Don't forget the Grenade Launchers. Stopping all those wonderful grenadings...

[18-Till-I-Die]

Maybe i'm wrong, but to me i cant imagine why anyone would need an automatic weapon AT ALL.

Way to post your bullshit before even reading through the thread. Get this through your head: The AWB does NOT ban automatic weapons, it bans SEMI-AUTOMATIC weapons that happen to have certain cosmetic features that make them "scary-looking". Fully automatic weapons will be no easier to acquire when the ban expires on Monday then they are now.

Sorry i wanted to respond eariler but my computer conked out and i had to fix it.

Anyway, i did some research, and you guy's were right, i was very wrong, and i concede the point about the AWB. It is stupid. I was misinformed about the nature of the ban, and i made a mistake. Like i said i would've responded earlier, but i couldnt so...blame the computer not me.

[Knife]

snippy

No worries. Knowing is half the battle.






*sings* GI Joe, the real American hero,...

[Ma Deuce]

I was misinformed about the nature of the ban, and i made a mistake.

And unfortunately, it would seem that much of the US population were similarly misinformed, which explains why 70% of them want the ban extended in an era where gun control is becomming increasingly unpopular in the United States.