STGOD 4 OOC Thread (part 2)

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2004-09-12 08:33pm

THIS. REALLY. DOESNT. MATTER.

Rogue, if you think there is any possibilityof Monacora withdrawing from the war because your argument here will convince him he had poor cause, please continue.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-12 08:33pm

Except everybody knows that they were halfway to Elysium. They couldn't have been in Monacora and then gotten to Elysium in less than a day. All our ships are accounted for and you know it.

Who is this "Everyone?" Your military command, and some Ousters. Not the news services, certainly.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-09-12 08:33pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:
Wrong. That fleet you're babbling about simply doesn't exist, as an examination of public records and independent freighters' sensor logs would tell you.
What's that? These records indicate a large portion of your fleet was out of port, with large ammounts of supplie and like. They could have been anywhere. Elysium? Veitha? Monacora?
Except everybody knows that they were halfway to Elysium. They couldn't have been in Monacora and then gotten to Elysium in less than a day. All our ships are accounted for and you know it.

Prehaps you lied about the time they would take to get there. Prehaps they rendevouzed with another fleet, prehaps this was a different fleet. Who knows? They went through there according to our sensor logs, anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar!

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-12 08:35pm

Thirdfain wrote:
Well if they're commiting FUCKING GENOCIDE, yes!
Genocide? It was a legitimate counterblow to an attack on our home soil! I seem to recall you happily slaughtering the Overseer. Apparantly, revenge is cool when it's little Ouster kids who die, but when it's human children, well, that's no good!

Racist bastard.

1.) Counterblows are legitimate when they are directed against the perpetrators of the deed. 2.) You cannot prove definitively that the White Suns committed the attack. 3.) Even if they did, their civilians are not the perpetrators in any case; you want their military. It's genocide and you know it.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-12 08:35pm

Hell, Rogue, don't you have lots of escorts out, you know, escorting? Lots of em would be on patrol, and could have had time to move through Monacoran space for nefarious purposes!

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-09-12 08:36pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Straha wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote: Wrong. That fleet you're babbling about simply doesn't exist, as an examination of public records and independent freighters' sensor logs would tell you.
No, Space is a huge place, our destroyer happened to be where there were no other ships at that time, and we saw you pass through, and then move in a hostile manner against us, forcing my destroyer to retreat. Just as our Destroyer's logs will show you.
Leave the lies IC, okay? All our ships are accounted for. We are prepared to prove this. If the Veithan and Ravenlock diplomats would talk to my ambassadors, I'd be proving this.

It's not a lie! It's what our sensors say! Are you calling the sensors liars?! We'll make the sensor logs available to anyone who wants them, except nations we are currently at war with.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-12 08:37pm

Thirdfain wrote:
Except everybody knows that they were halfway to Elysium. They couldn't have been in Monacora and then gotten to Elysium in less than a day. All our ships are accounted for and you know it.
Who is this "Everyone?" Your military command, and some Ousters. Not the news services, certainly.

Then why was our presence in Elysium all over the damned news services?!?

Prehaps you lied about the time they would take to get there. Prehaps they rendevouzed with another fleet, prehaps this was a different fleet. Who knows? They went through there according to our sensor logs, anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar!

How would I lie about that? You know where Elysium is just as well as I, and know that the ships could not have transited the distance in a day.

Hell, Rogue, don't you have lots of escorts out, you know, escorting? Lots of em would be on patrol, and could have had time to move through Monacoran space for nefarious purposes!

He saw a main battle fleet, not escorts. Lay off it, his evidence is bullshit and anyone with eyes and the STGOD equivalent of Google can see it.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-12 08:37pm

It's genocide and you know it.

Your human morality is strange. They killed six million of our people. We will kill six million theirs. An eye for eye, no? It is the blood price.

After all, when the Overseer killed Earth, did you not destroy it's entire species for it merely killing one of your worlds?

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-12 08:38pm

Then why was our presence in Elysium all over the damned news services?!?

I don't know, I sure as fuck didn't tell anyone.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-12 08:38pm

Straha wrote:It's not a lie! It's what our sensors say! Are you calling the sensors liars?! We'll make the sensor logs available to anyone who wants them, except nations we are currently at war with.

So you won't present evidence, but will only run around like a chicken with its head cut off claiming to have some. Concession accepted.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-09-12 08:40pm

Thirdfain wrote:How about this? We divvy up your nation like Victorian China, and Elanie gets President Major as the new court jester in the soon-to-be-announced Realm of the Annophelial Queen?

Shhh, you'll ruin the surprise.

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2004-09-12 08:41pm

Wait, Rogue, you post your fleet movements on Google?

OK, everyone. It's quiet time. You didn't send ships through, and everyone knows it. He saw something. Maybe one day he'll tell us what it is. But as is, this argument is a waste of time. Cuz what evidence he does or does not have is not going to turn his ships around now. There would be more point to this if you just put "POST +1" at the end of every bickering message here.

That goes for all of you. *glares around*

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-09-12 08:41pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Straha wrote:It's not a lie! It's what our sensors say! Are you calling the sensors liars?! We'll make the sensor logs available to anyone who wants them, except nations we are currently at war with.
So you won't present evidence, but will only run around like a chicken with its head cut off claiming to have some. Concession accepted.

Read it again. I said I'd give it to anyone who wanted it, except those I was at war with. That leaves a majority of the nations in the STGOD to have the ability to get their hands on the sensor logs, including the Ravenlocke, Veitha, and Gladshiem. Who, I would assume, would be willing to give it to you. Heck even the VNN can get it. The thing you'll note from the sensor logs is that there is nothing whatsoever that indicates it's faked.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-09-12 08:41pm

Rogue 9 wrote:So you won't present evidence, but will only run around like a chicken with its head cut off claiming to have some. Concession accepted.

Right, you win, you're the smartest cow in the slaughterhouse. Are you happy now? Because you're still being marched through onto the killing floor.

Now then. I think you all should shut the fuck up and stop whining about the why's and wherefore's of this particular conflict, because it doesn't matter.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-12 08:42pm

So you won't present evidence, but will only run around like a chicken with its head cut off claiming to have some. Concession accepted.

Major fleets from the Unification navy have been out of port for weeks now. What are they doing? How do we know they didn't stop over in Elysium? Acccurate information about their whereabouts can't be had, because I sure as hell haven't told anyone.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-12 08:43pm

Straha wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:
Straha wrote:It's not a lie! It's what our sensors say! Are you calling the sensors liars?! We'll make the sensor logs available to anyone who wants them, except nations we are currently at war with.
So you won't present evidence, but will only run around like a chicken with its head cut off claiming to have some. Concession accepted.
Read it again. I said I'd give it to anyone who wanted it, except those I was at war with. That leaves a majority of the nations in the STGOD to have the ability to get their hands on the sensor logs, including the Ravenlocke, Veitha, and Gladshiem. Who, I would assume, would be willing to give it to you. Heck even the VNN can get it. The thing you'll note from the sensor logs is that there is nothing whatsoever that indicates it's faked.

Except the fact that the ships it shows do not exist.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-09-12 08:46pm

Aly... your post stinks of crap, and I'm going to put up a rather large OOC complaint about it in a second, but I just want everyone to think of something from it for a short while.

When the Admiral needs to explain to his men the capabilites of the ships they run or vice versa, somethings in trouble.

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2004-09-12 08:47pm

That's BS, Aly. I might even let it stand except for the fact that it sets a dangerous precedent. The tactis of a battle is all about maneuvering. If you can auto-maneuver your ships into any position you wnat through an instantaneous micro-jump, that defeats the whole purpose. I'd say it would take a while to coordinate that pinpoint jump. But if no one has any problems, I'll let that stand.

Then my next post will be to do a microjump right on top of you and let loose with all my Lance cannons without having to do any maneuvering to get into position. But that wouldn't be fair, now, would it?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-12 08:48pm

I will edit

However, I seek clearance to use B5 jumpoints as a weapon.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-12 08:49pm

Thirdfain wrote:
Then why was our presence in Elysium all over the damned news services?!?
I don't know, I sure as fuck didn't tell anyone.

Well it was cited in the Unification declaration of war, so they sure as hell know.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-09-12 08:50pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:I will edit

However, I seek clearance to use B5 jumpoints as a weapon.

I would object, because then all people would do is charge, open a jump point, and UBAR PRESTO YOUR FLEET DEADO! You could concievably win with two cruisers if you did that.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-09-12 08:51pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:I will edit

However, I seek clearance to use B5 jumpoints as a weapon.

No fucking way.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-12 08:52pm

Grrr. Damn Murazor. Can't he be online so I can have a battle too?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-09-12 08:53pm

Straha wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:I will edit

However, I seek clearance to use B5 jumpoints as a weapon.
I would object, because then all people would do is charge, open a jump point, and UBAR PRESTO YOUR FLEET DEADO! You could concievably win with two cruisers if you did that.

Not quite...

However there is precedence fo at least doing damage in this manner in other STGODs

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-09-12 08:54pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Straha wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:I will edit

However, I seek clearance to use B5 jumpoints as a weapon.
I would object, because then all people would do is charge, open a jump point, and UBAR PRESTO YOUR FLEET DEADO! You could concievably win with two cruisers if you did that.
Not quite...

However there is precedence fo at least doing damage in this manner in other STGODs

Other STGODs != STGOD 4