They specifically sent in the Marines to Falluja for a reason, and no, not to level the place.
Before the jar heads could implement their strategy, on of people on the ground, grunts doing grunt work and not artillary against mortors on cars. From what I remember before the I MEF went in, they wanted to put the grunts on the streets, help people and smack the shit out of people shooting at them, and do both very publicly instead of call indirect fire down in the general vicinity.
Would it have worked? Don't know, but the 'lets make nice' whooops that didn't work, 'lets fight a bit' whoops that didn't work, 'lets be nice' whoops that didn't work, 'lets fight some more' whooops
They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong
But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
Knife wrote:Political interfernce is obvious, and discusting.
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Would it have worked? Don't know, but the 'lets make nice' whooops that didn't work, 'lets fight a bit' whoops that didn't work, 'lets be nice' whoops that didn't work, 'lets fight some more' whooops
I am not entirly accurate about how things work in the US, but here in NZ the Politicians tell Defence what they want done, but never how to do it.
Via money Europe could become political in five years" "... the current communities should be completed by a Finance Common Market which would lead us to European economic unity. Only then would ... the mutual commitments make it fairly easy to produce the political union which is the goal"
frigidmagi wrote:Supposly that's how it's suppose to work here. But in most of our defeats if you look for it, you see a politico micromanaging.
Then maybe flag ranked officers should be resigning and stating why they are resigning?
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:
A general-in-chief cannot exonerate himself from responsibility for his faults by pleading an order of his sovereign or the minister, when the individual from whom it proceeds is at a distance from the field of operations, and but partially, or not at all, acquainted with the actual condition of things. Hence it follows that every general-in-chief who undertakes to execute a plan which he knows to be bad, is culpable. He should communicate his reasons, insist on a change of plan and finally resign his commission rather than become the instrument of his army's ruin.
Via money Europe could become political in five years" "... the current communities should be completed by a Finance Common Market which would lead us to European economic unity. Only then would ... the mutual commitments make it fairly easy to produce the political union which is the goal"
Then maybe flag ranked officers should be resigning and stating why they are resigning?
Because then their jrs will attempt it and without their experience and political pull to protect themselfs the jr replacments will proceed excaltly has the politician wants and that will be more dead troops.
Someone has to try to miniumialize the damage. Of course there are Generals and Admirals who don't care, who only wish to curry favor in order to kick start their own political careers. But they are not the majority.
Then maybe flag ranked officers should be resigning and stating why they are resigning?
Because then their jrs will attempt it and without their experience and political pull to protect themselfs the jr replacments will proceed excaltly has the politician wants and that will be more dead troops.
Someone has to try to miniumialize the damage. Of course there are Generals and Admirals who don't care, who only wish to curry favor in order to kick start their own political careers. But they are not the majority.
No offence, but that sound's like excuses and, at the risk of a slippery slope, sounds like the stupidity of the late Veitnam years.
Via money Europe could become political in five years" "... the current communities should be completed by a Finance Common Market which would lead us to European economic unity. Only then would ... the mutual commitments make it fairly easy to produce the political union which is the goal"
No offence, but that sound's like excuses and, at the risk of a slippery slope, sounds like the stupidity of the late Veitnam years.
None taken, I'm doing a lousy job at explaining this. At the end of the day most field grade officers feel responable for their troops and believe in thier abilities, turning it over to their jrs will only get more men killed.
Also, resigning has never stopped the politicians anydamnways. They just pick a suckup or some poor jr officer and plow right on.
No offence, but that sound's like excuses and, at the risk of a slippery slope, sounds like the stupidity of the late Veitnam years.
None taken, I'm doing a lousy job at explaining this. At the end of the day most field grade officers feel responable for their troops and believe in thier abilities, turning it over to their jrs will only get more men killed.
True enough
Also, resigning has never stopped the politicians anydamnways. They just pick a suckup or some poor jr officer and plow right on.
My concern is that there is that political intervention in what should be a purely operational matter. Politicians have no place being there for obvious reasons, not least being that they dont know the situatin on the ground and are not trained to understand whats going on {mostly}. It's a nasty weakness the US has and it should be ironed out.
Via money Europe could become political in five years" "... the current communities should be completed by a Finance Common Market which would lead us to European economic unity. Only then would ... the mutual commitments make it fairly easy to produce the political union which is the goal"
