China cracks down on porn

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-09-13 08:17pm

The Legend Rado Tharadus wrote:Ok I see, so would any of you be against a ban on drugs? After all what business does the evil government have in denying cocaine to a 13 year old kid who just wants to live freely right? Why should anyone be able to deny a mans drug use. Answer me that. Personal freedom is fantastic, but paying money for a women who has been downgraded to the role of "sex object" is wrong in my opinion. You want a girl? Go out and meet one. You already have a girl, but still need to satisfy yourself with porn? Then go get another girl who can satisfy you even further.

There is a difference between women who have been degraded and abused into the position and those who like sex anyway and decided to make some money at the same time (like those gals in the HBO docdrama about Las Vegas prostitutes, etc.). I've known girls to get into sexual relationships just because the guy gets them lots of gifts and pays for everything and they don't mind sexing him up in return. It's like a bartering system for some women (and some men).

Besides, to answer your first post, what if my wife is the one who wants the porn?

No, I'm a one women one family sort of guy.

So am I. (well, I also support gay marriage. Just not Poligamy or adultery.) I don't see how this affects your views on porn.

No, but I wouldn't judge someone that had
Why havent you, whats stopping you?

I would never do this now that I am married, but if I were single and desperate enough, like say 25 and still a virgin, I most certainly would do it. As long as the woman (or man. Whatever your case may be) is a willing participant who is treated with respect, I see sex-for-money as a harmless, perhaps even necessary practice in society.

people are arguing against a ban on porn which depicts women who WANT TO show their body
Let me ask you this. If a 9 year old girl wanted to pose naked for some pedophiles would that be ok in your eyes? The girl would not be harmed or forced. After all she would be willing so there is no harm in it right? Please give me your opinion. I would like to know if you would think this is ok.

This is not okay because the girl is not developped enough or experienced enough to make her own decisions. Once she is 18 however, she can do whatever she likes because she is legally and biologically an adult.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-09-13 08:35pm

Darth Wong wrote: *massive snips all around*
Especially if you're doing neat things like porno karaoke, where you mimic the moves of the performers on the screen and try to outlast them. But where do you get off claiming that this is HARMFUL,

Holy shit, Mike, that is harmful!

Trying to outlast pornstars, who have the benefit of multiple takes and editing to extend their apparent performance, with your own mortal body and no editing.... You're lucky you aren't dead by now!

salm · Post by **salm** » 2004-09-14 02:05pm

where there are two completely different reasons, you have oddly merged them into one. A 13 year old is old enough to physically take drugs and many do. However, a 13 year old is generally not as good a driver as an 18 year old hence would be a road hazard. Thats why they do not have drivers licenses.

do you honestly not understand the difference between older people being mentally more mature than younger people?

for the whole drug thing: yes, i´d help im out of the same reason i´d help drunks, smokers or people who do extreme sports and get into a situation like that.
public healthcare takes care of that and that´s what it´s partially therefore: pay for people who hurt themselves through idiocy.
anyway, drugs are not the topic. open a new thread if you want to discuss it.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2004-09-14 02:06pm

sorry, i´m a dumbass who didn´t use the preview button. could a mod add a quote tag in the beginning of my last post?

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-09-14 02:29pm

salm wrote:anyway, drugs are not the topic. open a new thread if you want to discuss it.

Yes, by all means, please. I don't want to hijack this thread, but my trigger finger is getting really itchy here.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-09-15 02:41pm

Since the Legendary Moron apparently had plenty of time to post at length and repeatedly in the HoS to cry persecution and make the usual whiny troll complaints about "waaah waaah, I don't think it's fair that I have to respect the definitions of logic fallacies" (it's always amazing that the trolls never seem to figure out what inevitably happens to those who go down this "cry persecution and accuse the mods of being unfair" road), I will remind him once more:

JUSTIFY YOUR CLAIM THAT PORNOGRAPHY SHOULD BE BANNED

And once again, don't give me this asinine "justify that it shouldn't be banned" bullshit; the act of criminalizing something is not a default condition, and needs to be justified in every single instance.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-09-15 03:21pm

The Legend Rado Tharadus wrote:
This is for you and the other people who gave similar comments.
So let me see what it is you don't find moraly correct with child porn.

Firstly you raise the issue that children are young and innocent and therefore cannot make this grown up decision by themselves, yes. Now, lets look at the other side of the coin. What do you think about the men who view these images from the comfort of their own homes. Men who have not paid for the images, and who have not given any encouragment to any other people to obtain these images for them. Ie no harm was done to any children by his viewing of some free pictures. Would you consider such a grown man who looks at child porn (and who does not physically go out and harm children) as morally right or wrong?

If you have given your answer and have repeated something about how the child is harmed, then answer this.
With todays modern technology we are able to digitaly construct fake pictures which may look like real photographs, but that have been completely fabricated from scratch. Let us assume that a highly skilled individual has fabricated some fake pictures that depict children in the nude, and children who perform sexual acts. Do you find anything wrong with an adult who takes pleasure from these images and who is aroused by these images? Is his act of looking at child porn wrong in this case where no child was harmed or abused in the making of the pictures? Give me your point of view.

Wow, you totally avoided the rebuttal.

Your comparrison of child porn to "normal" porn is flawed for one MAJOR reason. A child can not LEGALLY consent to sex. Because of this one simple fact your entire argument falls apart.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2004-09-15 04:19pm

...porno karaoke. Best party game ever.

Trekdestroyer · Post by **Trekdestroyer** » 2004-09-15 08:53pm

I personaly avoid the stuff...then again I am only 16 and am not as old as all of you.

In two years I'll be legaly an adult so then will I choose my side in this debate.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2004-09-15 09:39pm

Trekdestroyer wrote:I personaly avoid the stuff...then again I am only 16 and am not as old as all of you.

In two years I'll be legaly an adult so then will I choose my side in this debate.

You actually don't look at pornography because you are under 18 years of age?

You are a rare breed, my friend.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-09-16 05:25am

DPDarkPrimus wrote:
Trekdestroyer wrote:I personaly avoid the stuff...then again I am only 16 and am not as old as all of you.

In two years I'll be legaly an adult so then will I choose my side in this debate.
You actually don't look at pornography because you are under 18 years of age?

You are a rare breed, my friend.

It means he can't find his father's stash.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-09-16 05:29am

Darth Wong wrote:It means he can't find his father's stash.

Why would he need to find it. In the Net there's then enough porn.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-09-16 06:22am

Trekdestroyer wrote:I personaly avoid the stuff...then again I am only 16 and am not as old as all of you.

In two years I'll be legaly an adult so then will I choose my side in this debate.

What? You're behind for your agegroup! What happened to sex education? No child left behind indeed.

I've had pornography in my posession since I was in 1st grade. Of course, I didn't understand it then like I do now, but I sure knew it was fun!

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-09-16 08:17am

Trekdestroyer wrote:I personaly avoid the stuff...then again I am only 16 and am not as old as all of you.

In two years I'll be legaly an adult so then will I choose my side in this debate.

Dont deny the inevitable truth !

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2004-09-16 09:38am

Darth Wong wrote:It means he can't find his father's stash.

I found my father's stash before secondary. The girls are basically crap. I grew up to 20 years old now (at least I'd be 20 come next February), and I still can't get worked up on that garbage.