Alyeska wrote:Punishing this guy is like executing someone for attempted suicide. Completely idiotic.
Except suicide harms no one but the person that commits it (barring some other circumstances). However the fact is he defected to a known enemy and made propoganda for them and probably more. At the very least that's far from harmless.
Just because he's now an aging man doesn't mean he shouldn't pay in full for his crimes.
Anyone care to provide a shred of evidence that this guy did anything remotely worthy of note that harms the US? Defecting to a shithole country is not worthy of punishment unless harm is done while doing so. All I can see is this guy harmed himself.
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Alyeska wrote:I've yet to see anyone actualy prove this guy deserves death.
I didn't say that he does. I said he should be tried. If he's sentenced to death, then so be it. If he's sentenced to life in prison, that's fine, too. If he gets PT duty and is discharged then I don't care, but he should face the same justice system that any other defector does.
They keep saying "treason". What the hell did he do that merits death? Defecting to a shithole country shouldn't merit death.
No, but aiding the enemy certainly can. He defected to North Korea. He knew what the potential repercussions were. End of story.
It should merit mockery.
Yes, and he should be mocked, too.
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Alyeska wrote:Anyone care to provide a shred of evidence that this guy did anything remotely worthy of note that harms the US? Defecting to a shithole country is not worthy of punishment unless harm is done while doing so. All I can see is this guy harmed himself.
Alyeska, this guy appeared in a fucking propoganda video for NK. That potentially caused harm to others. And regardless, you have yet to answer the fact that defecting to an enemy country is a crime in and of itself.
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Alyeska wrote:Anyone care to provide a shred of evidence that this guy did anything remotely worthy of note that harms the US? Defecting to a shithole country is not worthy of punishment unless harm is done while doing so. All I can see is this guy harmed himself.
Frankly, I think deserting and defecting to any enemy nation should potentially carry the death penalty. And the fact is he starred in propoganda films defaming the US while we were in the middle of the Cold War. Considering what his wife was doing when he met her; it's entirely possible he did more.
Either way he did plenty that merits him going to justice and facing a potential death sentence.
Alyeska wrote:Anyone care to provide a shred of evidence that this guy did anything remotely worthy of note that harms the US? Defecting to a shithole country is not worthy of punishment unless harm is done while doing so. All I can see is this guy harmed himself.
Frankly, I think deserting and defecting to any enemy nation should potentially carry the death penalty. And the fact is he starred in propoganda films defaming the US while we were in the middle of the Cold War. Considering what his wife was doing when he met her; it's entirely possible he did more.
Either way he did plenty that merits him going to justice and facing a potential death sentence.
Treason does carry the death penalty. End of story. Hang the mofo.
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HemlockGrey wrote:So...if a North Korean defects to the United States, is he deserving of execution, too?
Curses I was about to ask exactly the same thing. So yes, if it had been a North Korean at roughly the same point in time, who was now the same age about to surrender himself to the North Korean authorities would you be saying he was a traitor who needed hanging.
What about all those Defeactor's from Russia during the Cold War should they be hanged for treason to the Soviet Union. The Law after all is the Law and should apply no matter which side you where defecting to...
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So he went to a country the US wasn't at war with and was as an actor in bad movies. Now he comes back of his own free will and wants to face the charges and you still want to kill him?
He wasn't caught by the MP, he returned voluntarily; the US would never have caught him.
So try him, but give him a big bonus for turning himself in.
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I say give him a trial, but I don't see any usefulness in dealing out a harsh punishment at this point. I definately don't support death since that leads to a whole host of problems. If the US is engaged in an immoral and illegal war should Americans who defect be executed or held up as heroes. It all comes down to your point of view. ( Oh now I sound like Ben Kenobi )
Fine his ass, imprison him for a few months, and let him live with the results. It's not like he won't be effectively wearing a scarlet letter for the rest of his life.
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Death should be reserved for the gravest of crimes. GI Joe defecting to North Korea doesn't meet that standard. He should go to trial and he should spend time in jail for violating his oath to the service, but hanging him for this is simply excessive (and won't deter anyone else from doing it anyway).
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