Rogue 9 wrote:Stormbringer, summary execution of prisoners, particularly civilians, is against every impetus of civilization and rule of war there is.
It's just the Captain. And the Asgard don't recognize the legal distinction between surrendering crew and ship. As far as they are concerned your Captain acted in a heinously criminal manner and was punished for it. It won't extend to the crew unless he implicates them. This only happened because your captain chose to, after surrendering, destroy his ship.
And that's based on actual naval conduct. One doesn't surrender then destroy the ship.
SirNitram wrote:The downside of Famed Killing Rages is they do jack shit against people armed with assault rifles and similar such weaponry.
What, you think I expect him to actually succeed? Though really if they were duck-walking him, they're at such close range that it's not the rifles posing the problem.
SirNitram wrote:The downside of Famed Killing Rages is they do jack shit against people armed with assault rifles and similar such weaponry.
What, you think I expect him to actually succeed? Though really if they were duck-walking him, they're at such close range that it's not the rifles posing the problem.
Mostly I just think the exchange since the declaration of surrender is an immense pile of stupidity on your part, and I'm mocking you. Because not only is this guy going to act ridiculously suicidal, not only is he going to potentially endanger his crew by pissing off the Asgard, he's going to pull OMG FAMED KILLING FRENZY. Uh huh. Please, the next time you decide to make posts of this strain.. Refrain.
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Oh jolly good. More ridiculous jingoistic drama to hype your own side as the GOOD GUYS. Nevermind the fact the Alliance are the ones currently destroying every man, woman, and child in orbital facilities at Manticore.
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SirNitram wrote:The downside of Famed Killing Rages is they do jack shit against people armed with assault rifles and similar such weaponry.
What, you think I expect him to actually succeed? Though really if they were duck-walking him, they're at such close range that it's not the rifles posing the problem.
Mostly I just think the exchange since the declaration of surrender is an immense pile of stupidity on your part, and I'm mocking you. Because not only is this guy going to act ridiculously suicidal, not only is he going to potentially endanger his crew by pissing off the Asgard, he's going to pull OMG FAMED KILLING FRENZY. Uh huh. Please, the next time you decide to make posts of this strain.. Refrain.
What? No it isn't. He didn't surrender his ship, but they're going to execute him for the damage of something that was not in the surrender terms. They're going to kill him anyway. Being a Zambaran, he sees little sense in going quietly.
SirNitram wrote:Oh jolly good. More ridiculous jingoistic drama to hype your own side as the GOOD GUYS. Nevermind the fact the Alliance are the ones currently destroying every man, woman, and child in orbital facilities at Manticore.
No, you moron. We're destroying military targets and shipyards. And apparently Stormbringer thought he destroyed the ship, instead of shooting the control surfaces. Why is everyone misreading my posts today?
SirNitram wrote:Oh jolly good. More ridiculous jingoistic drama to hype your own side as the GOOD GUYS. Nevermind the fact the Alliance are the ones currently destroying every man, woman, and child in orbital facilities at Manticore.
No, you moron. We're destroying military targets and shipyards. And apparently Stormbringer thought he destroyed the ship, instead of shooting the control surfaces. Why is everyone misreading my posts today?
No one's misreading them, you fuckup. You're going to catch alot more than one seriously retarded alien in bringing down those shipyards. And as for 'Misreading posts', I love how you insert 'And they killed him!!!' in your post when even a moron would see they didn't. And of course damaging the control surfaces is damaging the ship is against the rules. That this alien was such a goddamn retard as to lack basic survival instincts doesn't bother me none.
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Rogue 9 wrote:No, you moron. We're destroying military targets and shipyards. And apparently Stormbringer thought he destroyed the ship, instead of shooting the control surfaces. Why is everyone misreading my posts today?
I misread it because it seemed an utterly pointless bit of vandalism if it didn't do anything beyond wrecking a panel. I assumed the plan was to send the ship off to hyper and abandon ship before she goes.
SirNitram wrote:Oh jolly good. More ridiculous jingoistic drama to hype your own side as the GOOD GUYS. Nevermind the fact the Alliance are the ones currently destroying every man, woman, and child in orbital facilities at Manticore.
No, you moron. We're destroying military targets and shipyards. And apparently Stormbringer thought he destroyed the ship, instead of shooting the control surfaces. Why is everyone misreading my posts today?
No one's misreading them, you fuckup. You're going to catch alot more than one seriously retarded alien in bringing down those shipyards. And as for 'Misreading posts', I love how you insert 'And they killed him!!!' in your post when even a moron would see they didn't. And of course damaging the control surfaces is damaging the ship is against the rules. That this alien was such a goddamn retard as to lack basic survival instincts doesn't bother me none.
How is it against the rules? Didn't you read the terms of the surrender? He surrendered his crew, not his ship. The Asgard specified a desire to avoid needless loss of life, not spare the ship. Ergo, the ship was not included in the surrender.
Rogue 9 wrote:How is it against the rules? Didn't you read the terms of the surrender? He surrendered his crew, not his ship. The Asgard specified a desire to avoid needless loss of life, not spare the ship. Ergo, the ship was not included in the surrender.
Tell you what. Get in that situation, then argue semantics like this. Let me know if you survive it without any serious beatings.
Meanwhile, those of us not terminally retarded realized what would happen the instant we saw you post that stupid 'Oops, too late' bullshit.
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Rogue 9 wrote:How is it against the rules? Didn't you read the terms of the surrender? He surrendered his crew, not his ship. The Asgard specified a desire to avoid needless loss of life, not spare the ship. Ergo, the ship was not included in the surrender.
Yeah, because "Hey, we want to steal your ship and sell it for cash" is such a good appeal.
They said that because it made sense. That doesn't mean they didn't give a shit about the ships. And one does not surrender a ship then go one to vandalize a ship. It's against the basic point of surrender and it's traditons since the age of sail
Rogue 9 wrote:How is it against the rules? Didn't you read the terms of the surrender? He surrendered his crew, not his ship. The Asgard specified a desire to avoid needless loss of life, not spare the ship. Ergo, the ship was not included in the surrender.
Tell you what. Get in that situation, then argue semantics like this. Let me know if you survive it without any serious beatings.
Meanwhile, those of us not terminally retarded realized what would happen the instant we saw you post that stupid 'Oops, too late' bullshit.
You think I didn't see it? You see, now I have massive PR to use against the Asgard. *Ship's security cameras start transmitting their data as per their programming when shots are fired on board...* *Whistles innocently.*
Rogue 9 wrote:You think I didn't see it? You see, now I have massive PR to use against the Asgard. *Ship's security cameras start transmitting their data as per their programming when shots are fired on board...* *Whistles innocently.*
Except for a couple little problems:
1) No atrocties were committed aboard.
2) They shot him aboard an Asgard ship. My captains don't lead boarding parties.
3) Your man was clearly in the wrong, legally. That would be caught since he fired the only shots.
And of course survivor accounts wouldn't be given till after the war's over.
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Rogue 9 wrote:You think I didn't see it? You see, now I have massive PR to use against the Asgard. *Ship's security cameras start transmitting their data as per their programming when shots are fired on board...* *Whistles innocently.*
At least when the Unification does it, it makes a modicum of IC sense.. But nope, we have senselessly suicidal retards who purposefully piss off armed Asgard, argue semantics, then act all surprised when shit happens. Why? To further Nashtar's PR, of course! Who wouldn't want to die for that?
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Rogue 9 wrote:And summary execution without trial isn't outside the international law that just about everyone claimed not to recognize earlier in the game?
Given that summary executions can and have been used in both this STGOD and it's forbearer, no.
You'll note that the Arcane Empire isn't around to blame anymore. You will also note that the Alliance is not a supernation; therefore not all members can be blamed for the actions of one by default.
Rogue 9 wrote:You'll note that the Arcane Empire isn't around to blame anymore. You will also note that the Alliance is not a supernation; therefore not all members can be blamed for the actions of one by default.
No, but it's a hell of a counter-precedent now isn't it?
Of course they can't be blamed. But if you start bitching about LESSER atrocities, we'll point andd say "Hey! wherer was mister High And Mighty when your allie were putting sentient beings through meat grinders? (literally.)"
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Rogue 9 wrote:You'll note that the Arcane Empire isn't around to blame anymore. You will also note that the Alliance is not a supernation; therefore not all members can be blamed for the actions of one by default.
No, but it's a hell of a counter-precedent now isn't it?
Well I have precedent to call for treating your captains as pirates now, bucko. Killing a prisoner without trial aboard ship is an act of piracy and you just committed it.
Rogue 9 wrote:Well I have precedent to call for treating your captains as pirates now, bucko. Killing a prisoner without trial aboard ship is an act of piracy and you just committed it.
Now if anyone actually knew, that might be an issue.
Rogue 9 wrote:You'll note that the Arcane Empire isn't around to blame anymore. You will also note that the Alliance is not a supernation; therefore not all members can be blamed for the actions of one by default.
No, but it's a hell of a counter-precedent now isn't it?
Well I have precedent to call for treating your captains as pirates now, bucko. Killing a prisoner without trial aboard ship is an act of piracy and you just committed it.
The Alliance is a gang of mass murderers. *Footage of Arcanists* This is the sort of action the Nashtar support! That's alot more PR than 'Well, ah, one of our guys shot a console and he never did come back from on the ship..'
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