Trek ship hull strength
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Funny how the ship is intact.
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Except for the gaping hole in the back that's venting fire and smoke.Alyeska wrote:Funny how the ship is intact.
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Structure is entirely intact.Gil Hamilton wrote:Except for the gaping hole in the back that's venting fire and smoke.Alyeska wrote:Funny how the ship is intact.
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How exactly do you have giant gouts of flame erupting out the entire back of something with a large break in the hull?Alyeska wrote:Structure is entirely intact.
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Flames were photoshoped onto a perfectly intact Defiant model.Gil Hamilton wrote:How exactly do you have giant gouts of flame erupting out the entire back of something with a large break in the hull?Alyeska wrote:Structure is entirely intact.
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This has sod all to do with what?The Yosemite Bear wrote:Same as the perfectly intact we can just up and fly it away saucer section in Generations....
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Obviously, but they are still erupting out the back of it. Clearly, the Defiant got that plane on it's six and got it's ass shot off.Alyeska wrote:Flames were photoshoped onto a perfectly intact Defiant model.
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Alyeska wrote:This has sod all to do with what?The Yosemite Bear wrote:Same as the perfectly intact we can just up and fly it away saucer section in Generations....
Alyeska wrote:Flames were photoshoped onto a perfectly intact Defiant model.
hence the refrence in the past by distorters of fact on the Trek side that the Saucer section was "Perfectly Intact"Gil Hamilton wrote:Obviously, but they are still erupting out the back of it. Clearly, the Defiant got that plane on it's six and got it's ass shot off.
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Those people could at least reference to the front of the saucer litteraly slicing through mountains to indicate hull integrity.The Yosemite Bear wrote:Alyeska wrote:This has sod all to do with what?The Yosemite Bear wrote:Same as the perfectly intact we can just up and fly it away saucer section in Generations....Alyeska wrote:
Flames were photoshoped onto a perfectly intact Defiant model.hence the refrence in the past by distorters of fact on the Trek side that the Saucer section was "Perfectly Intact"Gil Hamilton wrote:Obviously, but they are still erupting out the back of it. Clearly, the Defiant got that plane on it's six and got it's ass shot off.
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Watch the last scene in Generations where Data finds Spot. The hull is clearly ripped open very broadly, as that entire compartment was in broad daylight.Alyeska wrote:Those people could at least reference to the front of the saucer litteraly slicing through mountains to indicate hull integrity.
Besides, Federation hulls can be ripped open by angry bugged eyed monsters in zero gravity (a S8472 did it and in zero gravity, there is very little leverage). They just aren't that strong.
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Strange how the hull of the ship imediately after the crash was very much intact. No damage shown to any portions of the ship that tore through the mountain and hills. The forward windows all survived the crash. Even the shot of the shuttles on the saucer show absolutely no damage.Gil Hamilton wrote:Watch the last scene in Generations where Data finds Spot. The hull is clearly ripped open very broadly, as that entire compartment was in broad daylight.Alyeska wrote:Those people could at least reference to the front of the saucer litteraly slicing through mountains to indicate hull integrity.
Never saw this, can't comment.Besides, Federation hulls can be ripped open by angry bugged eyed monsters in zero gravity (a S8472 did it and in zero gravity, there is very little leverage). They just aren't that strong.
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It was a subsequent episode, when a wounded S8472 straggler was being hunted down by Hirogen.Alyeska wrote:I have seen Scorpion. I do not recall S8472 loose on the ship and tearing apart the hull.
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Perhaps more objective examples, like the one's Alyeska has submitted, are far more reliable sources to gauge Federation hull strength.Gil Hamilton wrote: Besides, Federation hulls can be ripped open by angry bugged eyed monsters in zero gravity (a S8472 did it and in zero gravity, there is very little leverage). They just aren't that strong.
Species 8472's ability to tear through hull plating and SIF fields is an indication of their enormous strength and durability, not weakness of Federation hulls.
I'm certain Alyeska could rattle off several examples of Federation hulls withstanding impressive amounts of punishment and remaining intact.
I can count the number of Voyager episodes I've seen on two hands. While I know little about Voyager, I know a fair amount on the episodes I have seen. Voyager was never aired regularly here. Call it good luck I didn't entice myself into watching that crap.
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