Post-NJO Speculation Thread (Spoilers)

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2004-08-04 12:05am

Dark Nest? Swarm War?

Oh my...i feel an insectoid invasion coming on.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-08-04 12:41am

JME2 wrote:TheForce.net has now posted the name of Denning's trilogy and the book titles. They are as follows:

Star Wars: The Dark Nest Trilogy

Book 1: The Joiner King

Book 2: The Unseen Queen

Book 3: The Swarm War

Ooh.
What kind of horrid names are those for a book series?

I agree with the other poster.

Dark Nest? Queen (thinking like Queen Ant here)? Swarm? Is this an insect invasion?

I'm starting to think another NJO-like invasion here

While I liked NJO, doing it over again is, with bugs, is sorta...silly?

generator_g1 · Post by **generator_g1** » 2004-08-04 01:08am

Praxis wrote: I'm starting to think another NJO-like invasion here While I liked NJO, doing it over again is, with bugs, is sorta...silly?

Sort of like Star Wars meets Starship Troopers....

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-08-04 02:02am

The answer towards the title of the trilogy - as well as the book names -- lies here:

* The trilogy will see one (possibly more) of the characters go through the Campbellian Mythology structure: the hero at the end of his/her journey. Additionally, the Mythology sees the hero coming to an understanding that good and evil are two parts of the same system - Denning, swendirect interview.

The names are clearly not like previous Star Wars titles; they're clearly more mythological and fantasy-like, which ties into Troy Dennin's structure for the first trilogy.

Still, 'tis only a theory.

Post by **Kuja** » 2004-08-04 02:40am

Dark Nest? Unseen Queen? Swarm War?

*looks over at AVP, then back to this*

This better not be what I think it might be.

And on a side note, I always thought the lightwhip was a dumbass idea.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2004-08-04 03:44am

Star Wars meets Starship Troopers....

HOPE THEY HAVE ARMOR SUPPORT!

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2004-08-04 12:48pm

JME2 wrote:TheForce.net has now posted the name of Denning's trilogy and the book titles. They are as follows:

Star Wars: The Dark Nest Trilogy

Book 1: The Joiner King

Book 2: The Unseen Queen

Book 3: The Swarm War

Starcraft Wars!

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-08-06 10:25pm

TheForce.Net has published the first info on the release schedule of the post-NJO novels. It will be as follows:

June 2005: The first of the post-NJO 9-book series, a hardcover.

August: Book 1 of Denning's Trilogy.

September: Post-NJO #2, a paperback

October: Book 2 of Denning's trilogy.

December: Post-NJO #3, a paperback / Book 3 of Denning's Trilogy.

Tychu · Post by **Tychu** » 2004-08-07 01:12am

The tittles seem to make it sound like the Hapes Constortium is involved, or even

Naboo! maby some Naboo politics will play a role and it is Palpatines native planet

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-08-07 01:19am

Tychu wrote:The tittles seem to make it sound like the Hapes Constortium is involved, or even Naboo! maby some Naboo politics will play a role and it is Palpatines native planet

This of course would all depend on Naboo's fate following ROTS.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-08-07 01:24am

JME2 wrote:
Tychu wrote:The tittles seem to make it sound like the Hapes Constortium is involved, or even Naboo! maby some Naboo politics will play a role and it is Palpatines native planet
This of course would all depend on Naboo's fate following ROTS.

Minor Rant: Why did GL create Naboo when Alderaan would have been more interesting? There's a certain symbology inherent within Palpatine's birthplace being destroyed by his own servants. (Think Campbellian: Luke the Hero returns to Tatooine after learning to become a hero, and kinda sorta liberates it from the clutches of Jabba the Hutt; Palpatine the Villain comes from Alderaan and constructs the DS, then blows it up.)

Bah, just speculation and "what might have been..."

Tychu · Post by **Tychu** » 2004-08-07 01:25am

JME2 wrote:
Tychu wrote:The tittles seem to make it sound like the Hapes Constortium is involved, or even Naboo! maby some Naboo politics will play a role and it is Palpatines native planet
This of course would all depend on Naboo's fate following ROTS.

I dont know if its true yet but i heard that a Naboo celebration was added to the ending of ROTJ for the DVD relese, if true it would show that Naboo may have lost some power but it still believes in a Republic. And though a game is no real way to base events but Naboo is in Star Wars: A Galaxy Divided.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-08-29 02:31am

Okay, Del Rey has released the game plan for SW books for 2006 to 2008, including the post NJO novels. From the Force.net:

There are 18 books in the new contract and 9 of them are set post-NJO. Three or four will be post Ep3, 2 (as of the moment) will be Old Republic. One may be post Ep4. This leaves two others that are yet to be decided. The three or four post Ep 3 will not feature Luke, Leia, et al, as they're kinda young at that time. The two (at least) in the Old Republic will have new characters and situations.

Dartzap · Post by **Dartzap** » 2004-08-31 06:07am

these bugs remind me of Geonosions....

I cant wait for the post Njo series,, i reckon we are going to see some of the old favorites die off... (Han, Leia, Etc)

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-09-17 11:26pm

The offical site has released the identities of the authors of the first of the post-NJO novels following Denning's trilogy next year:

Del Rey Books and LucasBooks will soon advance the Star Wars timeline beyond The Unifying Force, releasing a nine-book (as yet untitled) series set after the landmark New Jedi Order novel series. These books will continue the adventures of the classic heroes of the saga, Luke Skywalker, Han Solo and Princess Leia, and feature new heroes including Jaina and Jacen Solo and Ben Skywalker.
Aaron Allston, Karen Traviss and Troy Denning will each write a hardcover and two paperbacks in the series.

Aaron Allston's involvement in the series was first announced at Comic-Con International. Allston has written the fan favorite X-Wing novels featuring Wraith Squadron, as well as the Enemy Lines duology in The New Jedi Order. He will begin the series with the first hardcover in June 2006.

Karen Traviss is a former defense correspondent and journalist who served in both the Royal Naval Auxiliary Service and the Territorial Army. Her first novel, City of Pearl, was published in 2004 to critical acclaim. Her debut contribution to the Star Wars expanded universe is the forthcoming Star Wars: Republic Commando novel, Hard Contact coming out October 26, 2004.

Denning wrote the epic Star by Star, as well as Tatooine Ghost. He will also be writing a separate trilogy of Star Wars novels set after the events of The New Jedi Order. Denning will end the series with the final hardcover in June 2009.

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2004-09-17 11:31pm

Stofsk said

Minor Rant: Why did GL create Naboo when Alderaan would have been more interesting? There's a certain symbology inherent within Palpatine's birthplace being destroyed by his own servants. (Think Campbellian: Luke the Hero returns to Tatooine after learning to become a hero, and kinda sorta liberates it from the clutches of Jabba the Hutt; Palpatine the Villain comes from Alderaan and constructs the DS, then blows it up.)

I feel your pain my brother.

I don't think you'll find any disagreement about whether or not the prequel trilogy could have been better written.

DoctorPhanan · Post by **DoctorPhanan** » 2004-09-18 03:30am

JME2 wrote:* Luke, Han and Leia will have a critical role to play, but Jacen and Jaina will definitely not be shoved into the background.

#$%&! Why cant they just let old characters die off!? Or at least ride into the sunset. It's pretty irritating that the only competent people in the EU are approaching 50-60. Just leave them alone, and focus on some new characters. At least Stackpole and Allston went in new directions. Not every single story has to be centered on those that were in the movies. Theres an entire F*king galaxy out there. If Paelleon is still alive in this trilogy, I'm gonna shoot someone. Ugh! I mean they've already shown that they arent afraid to kill off movie characters, like Chewbacca, so at the very least, why not give them a nice happy retirement on some remote world and let them live out thier years in peace. /rant

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-09-18 03:33am

[bets $5 that the good guys and the GA are dumbed-down/made incompetent to produce the contrived conflict]

DoctorPhanan · Post by **DoctorPhanan** » 2004-09-18 03:35am

Only if you give me odds

and only if I had 5 dollars....

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-09-28 12:57am

You know, I just realized something upon going back and looking the text.

The wording at the official site says:

"Denning will end the series with the final hardcover in June 2009."

Now, this could be seen as being unclear in that (a) Does this mean just this series of 9 books, or (b) perhaps does it mean an end to it all?

Just a thought.

Mlenk · Post by **Mlenk** » 2004-09-28 01:45am

DoctorPhanan wrote: #$%&! Why cant they just let old characters die off!? Or at least ride into the sunset. It's pretty irritating that the only competent people in the EU are approaching 50-60. Just leave them alone, and focus on some new characters. At least Stackpole and Allston went in new directions. Not every single story has to be centered on those that were in the movies. Theres an entire F*king galaxy out there. If Paelleon is still alive in this trilogy, I'm gonna shoot someone. Ugh! I mean they've already shown that they arent afraid to kill off movie characters, like Chewbacca, so at the very least, why not give them a nice happy retirement on some remote world and let them live out thier years in peace. /rant

I would agree with you except for the fact that most of all the other characters outside of the old school character cast are totally boring and bland characters, especially Jacen. There's potential there but I don't really trust them to actually be able to write good characterizations for them, especially not after that shitfest (well, mostly anyways) called the NJO when they couldn't even really get the characterizations of the older characters right.

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2004-09-28 02:23pm

DoctorPhanan wrote:
JME2 wrote:* Luke, Han and Leia will have a critical role to play, but Jacen and Jaina will definitely not be shoved into the background.
#$%&! Why cant they just let old characters die off!? Or at least ride into the sunset. It's pretty irritating that the only competent people in the EU are approaching 50-60. Just leave them alone, and focus on some new characters. At least Stackpole and Allston went in new directions. Not every single story has to be centered on those that were in the movies. Theres an entire F*king galaxy out there. If Paelleon is still alive in this trilogy, I'm gonna shoot someone. Ugh! I mean they've already shown that they arent afraid to kill off movie characters, like Chewbacca, so at the very least, why not give them a nice happy retirement on some remote world and let them live out thier years in peace. /rant

The main movie characters aren't the kind of people who COULD peacefully retire(except maybe Luke)- I think it would be better if they all died off eventually from varied causes in awesome ways.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-09-28 02:39pm

Guardsman Bass wrote:
DoctorPhanan wrote:
JME2 wrote:* Luke, Han and Leia will have a critical role to play, but Jacen and Jaina will definitely not be shoved into the background.
#$%&! Why cant they just let old characters die off!? Or at least ride into the sunset. It's pretty irritating that the only competent people in the EU are approaching 50-60. Just leave them alone, and focus on some new characters. At least Stackpole and Allston went in new directions. Not every single story has to be centered on those that were in the movies. Theres an entire F*king galaxy out there. If Paelleon is still alive in this trilogy, I'm gonna shoot someone. Ugh! I mean they've already shown that they arent afraid to kill off movie characters, like Chewbacca, so at the very least, why not give them a nice happy retirement on some remote world and let them live out thier years in peace. /rant
The main movie characters aren't the kind of people who COULD peacefully retire(except maybe Luke)- I think it would be better if they all died off eventually from varied causes in awesome ways.

To quote TUF:

Han: The familiar strains of mid-life.
Tycho: This coming from a guy who refuses to go quiety into the void.
Han: Not true; it' the Falcon that keeps leading me into trouble.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-10-14 11:52pm

We've got a partial update on the post-NJO era; more of speculation really, but I thought it was worth posting. The Force.net's book section does a monthly EU-Mailbag in which questions related to the different avenues of the Expanded Universes, from the comics to the books, are raised. There was a question brought up about Troy Denning's first trilogy:

Q: The aliens in the dark nest--from the titles it looks like a hive society. What could they possibly be? The Verpines?

A: It's too soon to say. It has been confirmed that the Killiks from Tatooine Ghost play a part in the story, but that doesn't necessarily mean the titles are referring to them (after all, they're supposed to be extinct). There's certainly no shortage of other insect races in the GFFA to choose from, in any event - Verpine, X'Ting, The Assembler, Vratix, Arachnors, Ruurians, and so on. Or it could always be a completely new race. And who's to say they're definitely insects? The whole nest/hive thing could be meant metaphorically. They could be referring to the Senate. =)

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-10-20 04:59pm

One of the moments we have been waiting for is hand. The official site has published the first offical synopsis of the Dark Nest Trilogy:

The heroes of the Star Wars galaxy have survived the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, but they will soon face their next great challenge when The Dark Nest trilogy of paperback novels begins next year.

The disappearance of a small team of Jedi Knights -- including Jaina and Jacen Solo -- in the Unknown Regions has sparked controversy. The reclusive Chiss has lodged a formal complaint, angrily accusing the missing Jedi of meddling in a border dispute between the Chiss and an unidentified aggressor.

Jedi Master Luke Skywalker ventures into the Unknown Regions to contain the damage, while Han and Leia follow, concerned for their children. What they find is a colony of mysterious aliens edging towards Chiss space, led by a Force adept who is recruiting old and powerful friends to his cause. He is compelling them to join the colony and meld their Force-abilities with his, even if it leads to all-out war.

Thus begins the Dark Nest trilogy by Troy Denning. The first book, The Joiner King, is due out on August 2005 from Del Rey Books. The subsequent books, Dark Nest II: The Unseen Queen and Dark Nest III: The Swarm War, will be published in October and December, 2005, respectively.

As a special bonus, The Joiner King will come with the short story Ylesia, by Walter Jon Williams. This tale from The New Jedi Order was previously only available in e-book format.