STGOD 4 OOC Thread (part 2)

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-21 04:24pm

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Justice? Are you mad? We're talking about mass murder, here!

Well, when it breaks down to the point of war bad things happen. That doesnt' change the fact that you don't have the moral high ground in context.

You can't and won't, because I was acting to stop a mass murder. Even if their government was guilty, Thirdfain's response of attacking their civilians was wildly inappropriate.

Maybe so, but instead of trying to seek justice you went to war to protect the White Suns with out attempting to rectify the problems with their government. Again, not going to sit well.

The edit Nitram's whining about was made last night the minute I got back from dinner, before anyone had any chance to point anything out to me.

Funny how it was pointed out, then you edited. Now work dickless.

Why are you still waiting? It's been up since I posted that. The only edit that was made to my in-game post today was to add the OOB to the end.

Sure.....

And of course you can't even inform me.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-21 04:33pm

Stormbringer wrote:Oh, and just for the record. I'll now be taking screenshot of your posts to prevent the sort of retconning you're engaged in.

You just go ahead and do that. I maintain that I did not have the time to finish the post, so I went and put it up so I'd have it in the correct place in the order of events, and would finish it when I got back. I never, not even once even considered giving up Mintar. The possibility hadn't even occurred to me until I saw the OOC thread.

Well, when it breaks down to the point of war bad things happen. That doesnt' change the fact that you don't have the moral high ground in context.

Hitlerian scale slaughter to be effected immediately and you expected me to send diplomats for the Ousters to stall for while they went ahead and killed civilians?

Maybe so, but instead of trying to seek justice you went to war to protect the White Suns with out attempting to rectify the problems with their government. Again, not going to sit well.

1.) The time frame involved was nowhere near enough, and you forget that the Hajr was going to kill the civilians anyway regardless of the government. 2.) As the Veithans so adroitly pointed out, the case against the Confederation is hardly the most solid thing in the galaxy in the first place.

Funny how it was pointed out, then you edited. Now work dickless.

It was pointed out. I performed the edit first thing upon my return, before checking the OOC thread, therefore I did not see it pointed out until afterwards.

Sure.....

It's true. Whether you want to believe it or not is not my problem.

And of course you can't even inform me.

I assumed you could read.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-09-21 04:46pm

Agent Fisher wrote:
Straha wrote:BUT, the SPARTAN program (if it follows the HALO module) will produce fighters who are trained in ripping new rear ends in both spec ops operations, and in full-fledged conventional operations. Now extrapolate, if he can make one SPARTAN company now, he can make Regiments over the time to come, each one able to kick my ass, unless I resort to numbers (something my Army does not like to do, I really need to post a doctrine post sometime soon) I start going down. Now, if I can cut that off before it starts, all the better for me.
My SPARTANS and IMMORTALS right now are like the ODST from HALO. But soon the will be modified like the SPARTANs from HALO. However I will also be modifing my IMMORTALS division as well. I expect only half of them to survive, leaving me with a Full division. About half of them will have MJOLNIR-like armor. The rest will be using normal armor. but to get anywhere near a full regiment will take months and months. The modifications to the troops themselves wont take that long but making the armor will.

Unless I am very very very VERY wrong about this in a normal army's organization it goes regiment->Brigade->Division. (Monacora uses Regiment as its divisional unit name because I'm a Battletech fan, and because I've used it from day one) So, in other words, you're proving my point. If these are going to be HALO style folk, then its not to far out of line to think they might be able to go toe to toe with my elite units and survive relativley intact. Monacora cannot possibly let that happen because such a thing would be a direct challenge of our dominance on land.

And I will just keep it very secert

A Division is big, taking two divisions and working on them like this is going to be expensive, hard to cover up completley, and is going to result in a lot of dead people. Not very conductive for secrecy.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-21 04:49pm

You just go ahead and do that. I maintain that I did not have the time to finish the post, so I went and put it up so I'd have it in the correct place in the order of events, and would finish it when I got back. I never, not even once even considered giving up Mintar. The possibility hadn't even occurred to me until I saw the OOC thread.

Sure....

What's that smell? You smell it?

Oh, yeah. It's bullshit. And it's coming from you.

If you really were just using it as a placeholder I would just put PlaceHolder. And of course your OOC comments in the mean time don't exactly suggest an iron determination to hang onto the place.

Hitlerian scale slaughter to be effected immediately and you expected me to send diplomats for the Ousters to stall for while they went ahead and killed civilians?

No, I think most of us expected you to do exactly what you did. That doesn't mean you have the unassailable high ground on the issue.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-21 04:50pm

Rogue 9 wrote:I assumed you could read.

Hate to burst your bubble but I don't hang on your posts hoping for some edit that you should have included to begin with.

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2004-09-21 04:53pm

Straha wrote:
Agent Fisher wrote:
Straha wrote:BUT, the SPARTAN program (if it follows the HALO module) will produce fighters who are trained in ripping new rear ends in both spec ops operations, and in full-fledged conventional operations. Now extrapolate, if he can make one SPARTAN company now, he can make Regiments over the time to come, each one able to kick my ass, unless I resort to numbers (something my Army does not like to do, I really need to post a doctrine post sometime soon) I start going down. Now, if I can cut that off before it starts, all the better for me.
My SPARTANS and IMMORTALS right now are like the ODST from HALO. But soon the will be modified like the SPARTANs from HALO. However I will also be modifing my IMMORTALS division as well. I expect only half of them to survive, leaving me with a Full division. About half of them will have MJOLNIR-like armor. The rest will be using normal armor. but to get anywhere near a full regiment will take months and months. The modifications to the troops themselves wont take that long but making the armor will.
Unless I am very very very VERY wrong about this in a normal army's organization it goes regiment->Brigade->Division. (Monacora uses Regiment as its divisional unit name because I'm a Battletech fan, and because I've used it from day one) So, in other words, you're proving my point. If these are going to be HALO style folk, then its not to far out of line to think they might be able to go toe to toe with my elite units and survive relativley intact. Monacora cannot possibly let that happen because such a thing would be a direct challenge of our dominance on land.

But it might take awhile for you to find out. I know I cant keep it secert for ever. But I can hopefully get a Battilion of troops before they get discovered. But first you have to find my worlds. And maybe most of them will survive. I am not sure yet.

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2004-09-21 04:56pm

Straha wrote:A Division is big, taking two divisions and working on them like this is going to be expensive, hard to cover up completley, and is going to result in a lot of dead people. Not very conductive for secrecy.

maybe most will survive, considering that about half of the spartans in HALO survived the procedures, and medical tech is more advanced. And I will first start out small. A platoon here and there, then work up to companys and battalions

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-21 04:57pm

Straha wrote:
And I will just keep it very secert
A Division is big, taking two divisions and working on them like this is going to be expensive, hard to cover up completley, and is going to result in a lot of dead people. Not very conductive for secrecy.

It's also in a place that you don't know the location of, and therefore cannot spy on just yet.

Fisher, you should have just made contact with SPARTAN units already in place and up to speed. Too late now, of course, but joining with a half-completed military project invites other people to try and stop it.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-21 04:57pm

I'd lovve to see how these tin supersoldiers tand up to Luftdragoons with support from combat Blackeyes.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-21 04:59pm

Thirdfain wrote:I'd lovve to see how these tin supersoldiers tand up to Luftdragoons with support from combat Blackeyes.

See, Bugsby, I told you it would be happening pretty quick.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-09-21 04:59pm

Agent Fisher wrote: But it might take awhile for you to find out. I know I cant keep it secert for ever. But I can hopefully get a Battilion of troops before they get discovered. But first you have to find my worlds. And maybe most of them will survive. I am not sure yet.

As I said, we probably already have your worlds on catalouge somewhere. Now all we have to do is send some probes out to the worlds where we think you are, then suddenly you have Monacoran, Asgard, Ravenlocke, Gladsheim, Nashtari, and uncle bob's freighters in your sky. After that intelligence operations begin, and sooner or later we find out.

Or we could just find out when you first use them, then the shit really hits the fan.|

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-21 05:01pm

Straha wrote:
Agent Fisher wrote: But it might take awhile for you to find out. I know I cant keep it secert for ever. But I can hopefully get a Battilion of troops before they get discovered. But first you have to find my worlds. And maybe most of them will survive. I am not sure yet.
As I said, we probably already have your worlds on catalouge somewhere. Now all we have to do is send some probes out to the worlds where we think you are, then suddenly you have Monacoran, Asgard, Ravenlocke, Gladsheim, Nashtari, and uncle bob's freighters in your sky. After that intelligence operations begin, and sooner or later we find out.

Or we could just find out when you first use them, then the shit really hits the fan.|

So... You're going to declare war on him for having special forces troops. Hell, why don't you just attack the vampires while you're at it? I'm sure a few of them could own your troops when moderately outnumbered as well.

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2004-09-21 05:01pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:I'd lovve to see how these tin supersoldiers tand up to Luftdragoons with support from combat Blackeyes.
See, Bugsby, I told you it would be happening pretty quick.

Meh. Well, when your first move is a covert op to diplomatically step on someone else's toes, my theories on normal functioning go right out the window.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-09-21 05:02pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Straha wrote:
And I will just keep it very secert
A Division is big, taking two divisions and working on them like this is going to be expensive, hard to cover up completley, and is going to result in a lot of dead people. Not very conductive for secrecy.
It's also in a place that you don't know the location of, and therefore cannot spy on just yet.

Fisher, you should have just made contact with SPARTAN units already in place and up to speed. Too late now, of course, but joining with a half-completed military project invites other people to try and stop it.

No... coming in with that sort of ground firepower would have made my Princes' heads start spinning in their necks, while fire spews from their mouth and their little forked tongues would lash about wildly. All their going to do right now is start making turkey noises and wave their arms about wildly.

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2004-09-21 05:03pm

Straha wrote:As I said, we probably already have your worlds on catalouge somewhere.

If you had my worlds on catolouge my people would have rejoined the galaxtic community sooner

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-21 05:03pm

Straha wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:
Straha wrote: A Division is big, taking two divisions and working on them like this is going to be expensive, hard to cover up completley, and is going to result in a lot of dead people. Not very conductive for secrecy.
It's also in a place that you don't know the location of, and therefore cannot spy on just yet.

Fisher, you should have just made contact with SPARTAN units already in place and up to speed. Too late now, of course, but joining with a half-completed military project invites other people to try and stop it.
No... coming in with that sort of ground firepower would have made my Princes' heads start spinning in their necks, while fire spews from their mouth and their little forked tongues would lash about wildly. All their going to do right now is start making turkey noises and wave their arms about wildly.

Yeah, they could do that, and then have to deal with the SPARTANs.

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2004-09-21 05:04pm

Straha wrote:No... coming in with that sort of ground firepower would have made my Princes' heads start spinning in their necks, while fire spews from their mouth and their little forked tongues would lash about wildly. All their going to do right now is start making turkey noises and wave their arms about wildly.

Now THAT'S an image to have stuck in your head.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-09-21 05:05pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Straha wrote:
Agent Fisher wrote: But it might take awhile for you to find out. I know I cant keep it secert for ever. But I can hopefully get a Battilion of troops before they get discovered. But first you have to find my worlds. And maybe most of them will survive. I am not sure yet.
As I said, we probably already have your worlds on catalouge somewhere. Now all we have to do is send some probes out to the worlds where we think you are, then suddenly you have Monacoran, Asgard, Ravenlocke, Gladsheim, Nashtari, and uncle bob's freighters in your sky. After that intelligence operations begin, and sooner or later we find out.

Or we could just find out when you first use them, then the shit really hits the fan.|
So... You're going to declare war on him for having special forces troops. Hell, why don't you just attack the vampires while you're at it? I'm sure a few of them could own your troops when moderately outnumbered as well.

No, spec ops troops are fine, because (you see) spec ops troops are specialized. They do covert stuff, get in, get out, that's it.

Spartans do that and can start fighting on the front line with enough power to beat us if one or two minor things go well for them in battle. That gives us nightmares. Because, you see, with our Navy lacking the way it does our Army has to do all of the work. And if someone else has a Navy, and an Army that can beat us to go along with it, we might as well just get in the coffin right now to save trouble later on.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-21 05:06pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Straha wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote: It's also in a place that you don't know the location of, and therefore cannot spy on just yet.

Fisher, you should have just made contact with SPARTAN units already in place and up to speed. Too late now, of course, but joining with a half-completed military project invites other people to try and stop it.
No... coming in with that sort of ground firepower would have made my Princes' heads start spinning in their necks, while fire spews from their mouth and their little forked tongues would lash about wildly. All their going to do right now is start making turkey noises and wave their arms about wildly.
Yeah, they could do that, and then have to deal with the SPARTANs.

Tri-barrel

Plasma rifle

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-21 05:08pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:
Straha wrote: No... coming in with that sort of ground firepower would have made my Princes' heads start spinning in their necks, while fire spews from their mouth and their little forked tongues would lash about wildly. All their going to do right now is start making turkey noises and wave their arms about wildly.
Yeah, they could do that, and then have to deal with the SPARTANs.
Tri-barrel

Plasma rifle

So they're not such a problem.

Which means that there's no reason to panic. Make up your friggin' minds, will you?

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-09-21 05:08pm

Agent Fisher wrote:
Straha wrote:As I said, we probably already have your worlds on catalouge somewhere.
If you had my worlds on catolouge my people would have rejoined the galaxtic community sooner

You probably missed the probes, for whatever reason there may be to miss it. We wouldn't know anything about your world's culture, governance, etc. But we would know you were there, and would have a rough idea for technological ability/orbital structures.

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2004-09-21 05:09pm

A probe entering one of our systems would have caused a huge upset.

My people would have noticed something actively scanning.

Marcao · Post by **Marcao** » 2004-09-21 05:14pm

Hello Everyone:

I apologize for not having been saying much over the last few days, but I was not around over the weekend and I have grown rather fond of doing damage control and what not over Trillian.

There are a few points being thrown around that I feel compelled to drop my two cents.

1. Interdictor ranges are somewhat nebulous. Pablo and I have not gotten together and figured out what is the maximum effective range of an interdictor, or if having multiple interdictors in the same mode increases their effect range or their effect strength. However, as far as I am working it currently, Interdictor range is not limited purely to gun range and would have to extend somewhat into missile range. The UP fleet when going against the KSE fleet, utilized Interdictors well into their missile envelope. This is to say, that UP interdictors at missile ranges were effectively interdicting KSE ships. As such, I feel that the interdictor "sphere" of effect, extends well into missile ranges.

2. SPARTANS: Here is my two cents on how I see Spartans. I have no problem believing that these can be developed, and that Agent Fisher will manage to develop them covertly. Seriously, as long as he covers his ass, and plays things safely within his own nation I can see no short term reason for the secret to get out any time soon. However, the limitation remains that pound for pound, no army irregardless of the justification will be able to field something that rivals Monacora. The reasoning is simple, Monacora sacrificed a real navy for her army, and as such, I am not interested in taking away the Monacora advantage at the drop of a hat. This is not to say however, that Agent Fisher cannot field small and potent forces of SPARTAN or their equivalents. I agree with the assertion that Thirdfain's Blackeyes for example, and other highly trained special units, can go toe to toe against Monacoran forces of similar size and win. The large limiting factor, is that Monacora can field far larger numbers than these forces.

Monacoran GI's are the most capable in Known Space. That is not going to change for the foreseeable future. However, other nations special forces can take on Monacoran GI's assuming roughly equal numbers.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-21 05:14pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:Tri-barrel

Plasma rifle
So they're not such a problem.

Which means that there's no reason to panic. Make up your friggin' minds, will you?

Just reminding you that a super-soldier/walking tank can still get taken down.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-21 05:14pm

Straha wrote:
Agent Fisher wrote:
Straha wrote:As I said, we probably already have your worlds on catalouge somewhere.
If you had my worlds on catolouge my people would have rejoined the galaxtic community sooner
You probably missed the probes, for whatever reason there may be to miss it. We wouldn't know anything about your world's culture, governance, etc. But we would know you were there, and would have a rough idea for technological ability/orbital structures.

And why is that? Because it's convenient for you to be able to keep him in line? You don't get what you want just because it makes things easier on you.