What is the best way to deal with the Hostage taking?

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2004-09-21 04:37pm

Massive Retailation- for everyone of our people killed we gather up 100-200 people from the area in which it occured- and execute them. A proven method used by both Germans and Russians to deal with Partizans.

Hunt and execute for the people who did it- Punish the gulity, not the innocent.

Nuke the Mid-east- a.k.a. The Shepp Plan. Even more bloody then Massive Retailation, but it solves the problem for good- or so its advocates claim.

Reverse Jihad. aka the Blkbrry Plan. Combine Massive Retailation with a Cultural Conversion Program. Outlaw Islam and execute anyone found practicing or teaching the religion in the occupied areas. Use Gas on areas where "revolts" or signifigant resistance occurs. Basically use the method that Islam used to in so many areas (including Persia) to destroy it. Kills tens of millions, but solves the problem forever.

Leave Islamic areas- leave Islamic areas, and continue to trade for oil with them. Then, laugh at them when they're societes turn third world hellholes when the oil runs out.

Other- state what it is, and if its good I'm sure (if we ask nice) a Mod will add it.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2004-09-21 04:44pm

Hunt and Execute, combined with a Winning Hearts and Minds campaign for everyone else (instead of sitting there enforcing rules with your guns, go out and see what you can do to help the community. say, rebuilding infrastructure, helping people get their lives back on track, etc.)

And NO MORE ABU-GHRAIB STYLE BULLSHIT!

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-21 04:56pm

The Shep Plan. There really isn't anything else that'll stop these fundamentalists, which contrary to the common bullshit do seem to be the majority of Middle East Islam.

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2004-09-21 05:06pm

Write blank checks to the BlackOps and special forces people. The middle east is your new training area/playground. Shoot, loot, burn, pillage, and kill to your heart's content. Today's training exercise: Political assassination. Go find Arafat and whack him. Kill anyone else that gets in your way. Team with the lowest kill-count buys the beers. Next week we'll teach you how to topple the Iranian government.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-09-21 05:12pm

While I understand the reasoning behind the Shep plan, I'd rather not my country go down in history as being without equal in mass murder.

Hunt and destroy, and if you have to break a few eggs, fine, better than destroying the entire dozen.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-09-21 05:31pm

Project Treadstone. Setup a special section of assassins that deals with the true powers in the Middle-East. Have them train in various forms from standard sniping hits and drive by shootings to close combat and more clandestine and SIGINT methods to topple regimes or movements. They can be plausibly denied if kept far from any Western intelligence agency and made to operate solo with only the odd order from the White House or Downing Street when a new nasty comes into the media's sights.

Allow spec-ops units to train and assist with them and improve their skills. Nothing less than Spetsnaz level attitudes necessary.

We can't go with the Shep plan which is completely infeasible and we can't negotiate or forget the place, so let's allow our Cold War fighters off the leash.

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2004-09-21 05:43pm

I agree with Einhander, let the people know you personally as a friend there to help them instead of knowing nothing and hearing that you're demons out to destroy their way of life.

Hunt and execute the SOBs.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2004-09-21 05:47pm

AV's Project Treadstone combined with Einy's Winning Hearts And Minds campaign, aka the WHAM plan.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2004-09-21 07:44pm

flood them with cool western stuff.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2004-09-21 07:52pm

What we need is an ION cannon, and not so weak little SW verison but rather the uber orbiting spot light 'O Doom!

Yes long live Project WANKER(Ok so it needs some work)

Realy no the best way is to remove the number 1 thing terriosts need
.....MONEY! Money buys you everything inculding hearts and minds and sucide bombers

Objective one is the starve out the Terrirost Backers which is both boring accounting work combined with glorius Shep style destruction once you have targets

Morilore · Post by **Morilore** » 2004-09-21 08:59pm

Assassinate radical shitstirrers, disseminate pro-secular propaganda, and offer POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT for moderates and secularists. A good start would be actually making a focused effort to pull Iraq out of hell. As for terrorists taking hostages, hunt, execute, and shed no tears if the hostages cannot be saved (instead, take vengeance). It sucks, but in the end, if you are kidnapped by terrorists, your life is probably already over.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-09-21 09:02pm

Hunt and execute, coupled with pre-emptive strikes against known terrorist groups.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2004-09-21 09:04pm

aerius wrote:Write blank checks to the BlackOps and special forces people. The middle east is your new training area/playground. Shoot, loot, burn, pillage, and kill to your heart's content. Today's training exercise: Political assassination. Go find Arafat and whack him. Kill anyone else that gets in your way. Team with the lowest kill-count buys the beers. Next week we'll teach you how to topple the Iranian government.

ooo, that sounds fun.

dontforget green beret types to encourage usa friendly democracies.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-09-21 09:34pm

You'll have to forgive me for not seeing the point of becoming seventy-something times worse than them.

Hunt and execute, of course.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-09-21 09:46pm

*Sets USA Command Centre to Search & Destroy*

Of course, an orbital laser platform would assist in surgical strikes. It's not a nuke and not classed as a WMD and can do everything from vape a man with next to zero collateral to raze a city. If our officers and their agents in the field require immediate fire support, then I see no harm in using such a system. Besides, the main problems of ASAT launches are nullified by the fact that we fight people incapable of acquiring such tech. and even if they did, they'd have just set off a big signal flare in using one.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-09-21 10:17pm

aerius wrote:Write blank checks to the BlackOps and special forces people. The middle east is your new training area/playground. Shoot, loot, burn, pillage, and kill to your heart's content. Today's training exercise: Political assassination. Go find Arafat and whack him. Kill anyone else that gets in your way. Team with the lowest kill-count buys the beers. Next week we'll teach you how to topple the Iranian government.

Concur.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2004-09-23 06:10am

How much backlash would there be if we killed the prisoners they wanted releasing if they killed they're hostages.

Post by **Coyote** » 2004-09-23 06:35am

I'm in agreement with the concept of letting the Spec Ops guys go in and take out who is needed... targeted asassinations, covert ops, and such on one hand, and a massive Hearts and Minds campaign on the other.

First and foremost, get people who know and understand the region, the people, the history, and the cultural background of the Arab-Muslim/MidEast world into positions of power in the Intelligence and State Departments. We still have a flood of old anti-Communist Cold Warriors in these spots who still act like it is the 1980's. The MidEast is a wholly different paradigm.

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2004-09-23 07:27am

Massive retaliation. I advocate my 10 for 1 plan. We have enough of their prisoners so that, everytime they brutally murder one of our coalition's soldiers/civilians, we destroy ten of our prisoners, beginning with the ones who are about to be released. You can also call the plan "An eye for a mosquito bite".

I grow weary of these terrorists and their tactics. Vlad Putin takes the hard line against terrorists and the world stands up and applauds (Current government sterilization aside). I'm sick of pussyfotting. Why can't Shrubby make the resolute and steadfast decision to annihilate these terrorists? Seems to be resolute and steadfast on everything else....apparently......

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-09-23 07:35am

2000AD wrote:How much backlash would there be if we killed the prisoners they wanted releasing if they killed they're hostages.

Likely there would be more kidnappings and bombings or shootings. But they'd probably find out that everytime they did that and had a list of people to be released, we'd simply execute the prisoners and set them back to square 1 again. They'd learn, if only to cause more harm a different way.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-09-23 07:44am

Hunt and execute, Hearts and Minds. The former deals with punishing those directly or indirectly responsible, while the latter helps to insure such actions are less likely to occur in future.

Chardok wrote:Massive retaliation. I advocate my 10 for 1 plan. We have enough of their prisoners so that, everytime they brutally murder one of our coalition's soldiers/civilians, we destroy ten of our prisoners, beginning with the ones who are about to be released. You can also call the plan "An eye for a mosquito bite".

And by escalating the violence in such a manner you cut off whatever incentive the populace has in respecting your authority. Furthermore, when people and potential aggressors see that there is no benefit to being captured and imprisoned, what possible expectation is there for them to surrender? Not every prisoner taken is a Beslan childkiller terrorist, some of them are lowlevel supporters and antagonists. Once you round them up and execute them the predictable progression is a more polarised pool of discontent from survivors and neutral denizens. Why do the strongarm tactics? You might as well just nuke them all - or carpet bomb all their cities. It would be a lot quicker.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-09-23 08:25am

Complete media blackout.

Close down all media outlets, claiming that you can no longer guarantee their safety - using the beheadings as the excuse, and that you need to take reponsibility for their lives even if they wont.

I think after that it should become a hell of a lot easier to use the military option.

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2004-09-23 09:07am

Stofsk wrote: Not every prisoner taken is a Beslan childkiller terrorist, some of them are lowlevel supporters and antagonists. Once you round them up and execute them the predictable progression is a more polarised pool of discontent from survivors and neutral denizens.

More discontent than now? Jeepers, how WILL we cope? Also, maybe not all of the captured prisoners are childkiller terrorists, but I can assure you that NONE of the beheaded americans were. I stand by my assertion.

Shaidar Haran · Post by **Shaidar Haran** » 2004-09-23 09:11am

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Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-09-23 09:18am

Chardok wrote:More discontent than now? Jeepers, how WILL we cope?

Is there a pressing need for sarcasm?

I stand by my assertion.

Can you explain then how your 10 for 1 deal can be implemented? What happens when after you summarily execute those 10 prisoners the attacks continue unabated? Do you kill 20 prisoners? 100? What happens when the prisons are emptied as a result? What if the prisoners aren't terrorists but petty criminals? Do they each get a trial before killed?

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