Another Day, Another Beheading

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-09-20 04:01pm

It appears to be breaking now that one of the two US hostages taken this week has been beheaded and supposedly the video is online already. More details when they come.

Good news from Iraq seems to be an impossible thing now.

Spice Runner · Post by **Spice Runner** » 2004-09-20 06:43pm

Sad thing is, no matter who will be elected president, this shit will still continue.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-20 07:35pm

Let me say right now, I endorse the Shep Plan for the Middle East.

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2004-09-20 11:30pm

Well it's a good thing Bush is in the White House or else we wouldn't be in a needlessly complicated socioeconopolitical quagmire that has ruined our relations with our allies, strained our strained ties to countries that didn't much like us in the first place but sympathized with us over 9-11 and ruined our economy.
I'd hate to not have to put up with goddamn stupid conflict like this.

Jean Paul · Post by **Jean Paul** » 2004-09-21 01:42pm

Ogrish has the video, but it's not pretty. Unlike the others, he appears to have been fully concious and awake when it happened. Don't watch it unless you really want to. Almost made me sick. Literally.

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2004-09-21 02:24pm

OMG, that was sick.

Dartzap · Post by **Dartzap** » 2004-09-21 03:17pm

Anouther American has been Executed

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2004-09-21 03:25pm

Dartzap wrote:Anouther American has been Executed

Murdered!

It bugs me when people say Executed.

it gives the act of murder credebility.

Only courts can sentece one to death, and a carried out death scentence = execution.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-09-21 03:46pm

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040921/D8587B5G0.html

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - An Islamic Web site posting Tuesday claimed an al-Qaida-related group slaughtered a second American hostage in Iraq, an announcement that came as the group's 24-hour deadline for meeting its demands expired.

"The nation's zealous children slaughtered the second American hostage ... after the end of the deadline," said the statement.

The posting was made under the pseudonym Abu Maysara al-Iraqi, who has posted past statements on behalf of Tawhid and Jihad, a militant group led by Jordanian Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

Although the brief statement did not identify by name who had been killed, the announcement came a day after graphic footage of the beheading of American construction engineer Eugene Armstrong.

That videotape had threatened to kill another of the three hostages abducted Thursday with Armstrong - either American Jack Hensley or Briton Kenneth Bigley.

The Tuesday night statement said the American had been killed.

It said video of the killing would be posted "soon."

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Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-21 04:30pm

Personally, next time they behead some of ours I say we start clearling out Gitmo with a chainsaw and a tarp.

Jean Paul · Post by **Jean Paul** » 2004-09-21 05:01pm

Faram wrote:
Dartzap wrote:Anouther American has been Executed
Murdered!

It bugs me when people say Executed.

it gives the act of murder credebility.

Only courts can sentece one to death, and a carried out death scentence = execution.

Are you sure?

I think execution is more kinda describing a calculated, up-close-and-personal methodical killing of a person who is already in your power as a captive, often involving making them kneel down. Forcing them to submit to their own death.

At least that was what I'd understood the word to mean.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-09-21 05:04pm

Stormbringer wrote:Let me say right now, I endorse the Shep Plan for the Middle East.

Ahh, so you think murdering everyone is the Middle East via nuclear attack is the best way to handle a few extermists? If you are serious then you are a sick fuck; if you are joking then it is in extremely poor taste.

Warspite · Post by **Warspite** » 2004-09-21 05:55pm

The Kernel wrote:Ahh, so you think murdering everyone is the Middle East via nuclear attack is the best way to handle a few extermists? If you are serious then you are a sick fuck; if you are joking then it is in extremely poor taste.

And where are the Arab population condemning this act? I don't hear them. Where are the religious schollars calling out against this? Where is the peaceful religion that is Islam?

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-09-21 06:05pm

Warspite wrote: And where are the Arab population condemning this act? I don't hear them. Where are the religious schollars calling out against this? Where is the peaceful religion that is Islam?

Your absolutely right, how silly of me, their lack of outright protest over this certainly is enough to condemn them all to death. I don't know how I couldn't have seen that before.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-09-21 06:08pm

Warspite wrote:
The Kernel wrote:Ahh, so you think murdering everyone is the Middle East via nuclear attack is the best way to handle a few extermists? If you are serious then you are a sick fuck; if you are joking then it is in extremely poor taste.
And where are the Arab population condemning this act? I don't hear them. Where are the religious schollars calling out against this? Where is the peaceful religion that is Islam?

Lost to years of religious indoctrination, propaganda, and misinterpretation.

Warspite · Post by **Warspite** » 2004-09-21 06:19pm

The Kernel wrote:Your absolutely right, how silly of me, their lack of outright protest over this certainly is enough to condemn them all to death. I don't know how I couldn't have seen that before.

What have they done over the past decade to approach any measure of "civility" or "courtesy" towards the Western world?
Have you seen any protests by the population of any ME country against these kidnappings, or suicidal attacks?
At least, on this side of the Mediterrenan people care about these activities and condemn them, remember a few years ago when the Spanish people united in silence against several bombings by ETA? (No, not that Madrid thing.)

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-09-21 07:03pm

Warspite wrote:What have they done over the past decade to approach any measure of "civility" or "courtesy" towards the Western world?

What the fuck difference does it make? Are you saying that every citizen of every Middle Eastern country is obligated to not hate the United States, even if we fund their oppressors?

Have you seen any protests by the population of any ME country against these kidnappings, or suicidal attacks?
At least, on this side of the Mediterrenan people care about these activities and condemn them, remember a few years ago when the Spanish people united in silence against several bombings by ETA? (No, not that Madrid thing.)

Hey moron, has it occurred to you that the people Middle Eastern countries don't have the right to protest or assemble? And that if they protested against killing Americans, they'd probably be shot?

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-09-21 07:54pm

Warspite wrote: What have they done over the past decade to approach any measure of "civility" or "courtesy" towards the Western world?
Have you seen any protests by the population of any ME country against these kidnappings, or suicidal attacks?
At least, on this side of the Mediterrenan people care about these activities and condemn them, remember a few years ago when the Spanish people united in silence against several bombings by ETA? (No, not that Madrid thing.)

And of course that makes them all deserve death. Do you even know what you are arguing for? There is no way you can rationalize using nuclear weapons to systematically depopulate the Middle East no matter how many red herrings you come up with.

Warspite · Post by **Warspite** » 2004-09-21 07:55pm

[quote="Durandal]What the fuck difference does it make? Are you saying that every citizen of every Middle Eastern country is obligated to not hate the United States, even if we fund their oppressors? [/quote]

No, I'm saying (in an extreme way) why the fuck should we care for them, if they don't care about us? Freedom of speech is a good thing, but only if the other side is willing to accept it and live with it.
Most of them just don't care about this, and want to continue with their old ways, which usually consists in strolling around with high-explosives strapped to the chest.

Hey moron, has it occurred to you that the people Middle Eastern countries don't have the right to protest or assemble? And that if they protested against killing Americans, they'd probably be shot?

I know that. It still doesn't prevent those that can from condemning these "situations" and at least show that there are other ways...

As long as "America" is used as an escape goat, they will continue to accept the status-quo and live on with the needless killings, after all, every white is an american and deserves to dia, is it not?

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-09-21 08:47pm

Warspite wrote: No, I'm saying (in an extreme way) why the fuck should we care for them, if they don't care about us?

Because they are human beings moron and their resentment of our global politics does not earn them all a summary execution.

Freedom of speech is a good thing, but only if the other side is willing to accept it and live with it.
Most of them just don't care about this, and want to continue with their old ways, which usually consists in strolling around with high-explosives strapped to the chest.

What percentage of those who live in the Middle East do you suppose are suicide bombers? And why does that make those who do NOT strap bombs to themselves deserving of death?

I know that. It still doesn't prevent those that can from condemning these "situations" and at least show that there are other ways...

And how do you know that they don't?

As long as "America" is used as an escape goat, they will continue to accept the status-quo and live on with the needless killings, after all, every white is an american and deserves to dia, is it not?

Yes, I'm sure every person in the Middle East wants all Americans to die.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2004-09-21 08:50pm

Stormbringer wrote:Let me say right now, I endorse the Shep Plan for the Middle East.

That's my gut level, emotional response as well.
But killing everyone in the mid-east because they're barbaric would make us the bigger, more bloodthirsty barbarians.

There has to be a way to introduce in-fighting and power grubbing into the Islamofascist set, turn them on each other in an orgy of self consumption. Make them focus their hatred and jealousy inward, and reduce their threat.
We have to fight them more intelligently, the slow and steady way to insure that they're reduced to irrelevence.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-09-21 08:50pm

The Kernel wrote:
Warspite wrote: No, I'm saying (in an extreme way) why the fuck should we care for them, if they don't care about us?
Because they are human beings moron and their resentment of our global politics does not earn them all a summary execution.

So all of them resent our global politics, now?

What percentage of those who live in the Middle East do you suppose are suicide bombers? And why does that make those who do NOT strap bombs to themselves deserving of death?

While I agree with your general principle, it's not just those who are suicide bombers who deserve to die. The people that get them explosives, detonators, etc. are even worse.

Yes, I'm sure every person in the Middle East wants all Americans to die.

No, but a lot of them do--far more than Europeans who general "resent" our politics, too. Did you see Germans shooting guns into the air when the WTC was hit?

Morilore · Post by **Morilore** » 2004-09-21 09:05pm

There is nothing the Islamic world could do that would justify fucking genocide. If mass murder is Western civilization's only self-defense, then it fucking DESERVES TO DIE.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-09-21 09:06pm

Master of Ossus wrote: So all of them resent our global politics, now?

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. I obviously don't agree with that sentiment.

While I agree with your general principle, it's not just those who are suicide bombers who deserve to die. The people that get them explosives, detonators, etc. are even worse.

Of course, but that doesn't necessitate nuclear bombings of the Middle East which was my point.

No, but a lot of them do--far more than Europeans who general "resent" our politics, too. Did you see Germans shooting guns into the air when the WTC was hit?

The Germens are not confronted with the shit end of our global politics every single day as many in the Middle East are. In any case, it doesn't change the fact that the entire region doesn't deserve indiscriminate death.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-09-21 09:10pm

Morilore wrote:There is nothing the Islamic world could do that would justify fucking genocide. If mass murder is Western civilization's only self-defense, then it fucking DESERVES TO DIE.

If it comes down to the Middle East going up in mushroom clouds or Sharia for the west, I'll take the former. But we're not there yet.