Students who set up stripper pole in dorm fined

[Master of Ossus]

Man! It's impossible not to hand it to them for their creativity.

JACKSONVILLE, Florida (AP) -- Three students at Jacksonville University have been punished for installing a stripper pole in an on-campus apartment and taking pictures as clothed female students performed on it at a party.

About a dozen women competed for a $100 Victoria's Secret gift certificate September 11, said James Foster, a 20-year-old who hosted the party. None of the women disrobed.

The men bought the steel pole from The Home Depot, bolted it to the concrete ceiling and attached the bottom to a plywood stage covered in red felt.

"Honestly, we just wanted to say we had a stripper pole," Foster said. "We never actually expected girls to dance on it."

When university officials ordered the men to remove the pole, they complied, but not before building a huge party around it.

Signs reading "Pole Dancers Wanted" were posted around campus and the men bought large quantities of beer. Friends were enlisted friends to check identifications and manage security. They charged $5 for men, and women were let in free.

The party ended shortly after the beer ran out.

John Daigle Jr., a school spokesman, said the party's hosts may have violated the university's alcohol policy and broken rules against indecent behavior and the making of unapproved changes to university property.

Daigle, citing school privacy rules, would not identify the students or the punishment they received, but said: "The university took this seriously and the punishment was appropriate."

Punishments at the university can range from a reprimand to dismissal.

Foster said he was put on residential probation through November 9 and had to write a letter of apology. The penalties imposed on the other students were not released.

None of the women faced any disciplinary action, Daigle said. "There was no public nudity involved here," he said.

Residential adviser Amber Davis said the party degraded women.

"There are other ways they can go out and get a girlfriend if that's what they want," she said.

The men have taken down the pole and converted the stage to a pingpong table.

I wish someone would've done that with the dorms!

[Wicked Pilot]

I wish I'd thought of that.

[Next of Kin]

The party ended shortly after the beer ran out.

I didn't see that coming!

[sketerpot]

It looks like some overly meddlesome officials have poles up their asses. How does this merit any sort of punishment? What justification do they give for this intrusion into other people's lives that does nothing but make them feel good about themselves and annoy the hell out of everybody else involved?

How could they fail to love the idea of putting up a stripper pole? A stripper pole!

[Alex Moon]

It looks like some overly meddlesome officials have poles up their asses. How does this merit any sort of punishment? What justification do they give for this intrusion into other people's lives that does nothing but make them feel good about themselves and annoy the hell out of everybody else involved?

The students were in a University Dorm. this means that a) they were violating university rules about modifying school property by installing/bolting the pole to the ceiling. b) The situation is a danger to the school from a legal standpoint. The obvious worry is that some idiot guy could take things too far with one of the girls, but also there a danger that the pole itself isn't properly secured and someone gets hurt.

[Shinova]

It looks like some overly meddlesome officials have poles up their asses. How does this merit any sort of punishment? What justification do they give for this intrusion into other people's lives that does nothing but make them feel good about themselves and annoy the hell out of everybody else involved?

How could they fail to love the idea of putting up a stripper pole? A stripper pole!

Just about all officials lose their sense of humor upon receiving their jobs.

[Talon Karrde]

It looks like some overly meddlesome officials have poles up their asses. How does this merit any sort of punishment? What justification do they give for this intrusion into other people's lives that does nothing but make them feel good about themselves and annoy the hell out of everybody else involved?

How could they fail to love the idea of putting up a stripper pole? A stripper pole!

uhhh... it is on University Property and inside the universities dorm, I'm assuming this must violate some kind of rule.

[salm]

The students were in a University Dorm. this means that a) they were violating university rules about modifying school property by installing/bolting the pole to the ceiling.
b) The situation is a danger to the school from a legal standpoint.
The obvious worry is that some idiot guy could take things too far with one of the girls, but also there a danger that the pole itself isn't properly secured and someone gets hurt.

that doesn´t change the fact that the officials obviously have poles up their asses.
the obvious worry that some idiot guy could take things too far is present at every party. a pole being responsible for that seems pretty much like a slippery slope.
as for modifying school property... come on that´s 4 little holes in the ceiling and 4 little holes in the floor. you also put holes in your ceiling if you install stuff like lights or in walls if you put up shelves.

[Batman]

as for modifying school property... come on that´s 4 little holes in the ceiling and 4 little holes in the floor. you also put holes in your ceiling if you install stuff like lights or in walls if you put up shelves.

The difference being, there's no significant load on those shelves or lights.
There is going to be a significant load on the pole, and if it isn't up to it somebody might very well get hurt. That's a serious concern.
That being said, those officials absolutely have a pole up their ass.
While technically the 'modification of property' charge may be valid, and actually have a grounding in reality (see above), as well as the alcohol rules one, the indecent behavior/degrading women angle is bullshit.
On a completely unrelated note, I absolutely love the idea.

[salm]

The difference being, there's no significant load on those shelves or lights.
There is going to be a significant load on the pole, and if it isn't up to it somebody might very well get hurt. That's a serious concern.

and the uni would be responsible for that even if someone puts up the pole in the apartment he rented (even if it´s uni property he should be responsible for what happens in there as long as he rents it)?
that´s redicolous. the guy is old enough to take the responsibility.
i´d leave that dorm. these fucks shouldn´t be allowed to tell me what i can do in my privat living space.

[Elheru Aran]

The difference being, there's no significant load on those shelves or lights.
There is going to be a significant load on the pole, and if it isn't up to it somebody might very well get hurt. That's a serious concern.

and the uni would be responsible for that even if someone puts up the pole in the apartment he rented (even if it´s uni property he should be responsible for what happens in there as long as he rents it)?
that´s redicolous. the guy is old enough to take the responsibility.
i´d leave that dorm. these fucks shouldn´t be allowed to tell me what i can do in my privat living space.

Actually, in most American schools, apartments are private property rented out to students, and whatever you do in there is at your own risk. Dorms are another story, though-- they always worry about liability charges (read: slip-in-the-grocery-and-sue-their-pants-off-syndrome). That's why they have an assload of rules to that effect.

Let's see... it says "on-campus apartment". That indicates it's probably a dorm with some extra features, such as separate bedrooms and the like (I'm in one myself, in fact). Therefore, it falls under university jurisdiction and university regulations. While cockeyed, the school did have justification for taking the action they did, in order to protect any students from possible harm (and the school's pocketbook as well).

[salm]

Let's see... it says "on-campus apartment". That indicates it's probably a dorm with some extra features, such as separate bedrooms and the like (I'm in one myself, in fact). Therefore, it falls under university jurisdiction and university regulations. While cockeyed, the school did have justification for taking the action they did, in order to protect any students from possible harm (and the school's pocketbook as well).

yeah, i understand why they took action. it´s stull stupid that they CAN take action. it´s also fucking stupid that one could sue the uni if some dumbfuck broke his neck while dancing on a stripper pole installed in the private living space of some student.
weird this is.

[Mayabird]

All I have to say to these people is three words: OFF CAMPUS HOUSING. They can rent a house off campus with a bunch of people to keep payments down and have stripper poles complete with strippers if they so desire.

[salm]

All I have to say to these people is three words: OFF CAMPUS HOUSING. They can rent a house off campus with a bunch of people to keep payments down and have stripper poles complete with strippers if they so desire.

why would that be better than the uni leaving grown up people do what they want?

[Mayabird]

All I have to say to these people is three words: OFF CAMPUS HOUSING. They can rent a house off campus with a bunch of people to keep payments down and have stripper poles complete with strippers if they so desire.

why would that be better than the uni leaving grown up people do what they want?

Because if they do what they want and hurt themselves they'll sue the asses off the college instead of just taking the blame for themselves. It's the principle of CYA - Cover Yo Ass.

[salm]

Because if they do what they want and hurt themselves they'll sue the asses off the college instead of just taking the blame for themselves. It's the principle of CYA - Cover Yo Ass.

i know. like i said in my last post, it seems idiotic that it´s possible to sue the uni for crap like that.
so why promote the students moving out instead of promoting to change this stupid law that makes it possible for students to sue their uni because of their own stupidity?

[Mayabird]

Because if they do what they want and hurt themselves they'll sue the asses off the college instead of just taking the blame for themselves. It's the principle of CYA - Cover Yo Ass.

i know. like i said in my last post, it seems idiotic that it´s possible to sue the uni for crap like that.
so why promote the students moving out instead of promoting to change this stupid law that makes it possible for students to sue their uni because of their own stupidity?

It's not a law. It's just this little thing in the US where anybody can sue anybody else for practically any stupid reason and win. I know you must have heard about all sorts of frivilous American lawsuits; it's the same thing. Naturally if they tried to pass a law against students suing their university it would be shot down as the big bad Uni oppressing the poor students and being allowed to run them down.

Most of my friends who move off campus do it because they're tired to having to put up with all the rules and regulations, many of which were set up because there are a lot of idiots who will somehow manage to do something mindbogglingly stupid and get themselves hurt/damage the property and then sue the school, and out of fairness (because otherwise they'd be sued for being unfair) everybody has to be banned from whatever it is.

[salm]

It's not a law. It's just this little thing in the US where anybody can sue anybody else for practically any stupid reason and win. I know you must have heard about all sorts of frivilous American lawsuits;

yeah, and you can win because the law enables you in one way or the other to win. so it IS the law which sucks. not the uni dorms per definition. if the law was cool the uni dorms would be cool because they´re cheap and have cable modems.

[Rogue 9]

Anybody can sue anybody else in civil court for any reason at any time. Whether they win is another matter, and just suing people costs money, so you usually don't do it unless you're a retard who wants to be fined for wasting the court's time, or you think you can win.

[Rogue 9]

Anybody can sue anybody else in civil court for any reason at any time. Whether they win is another matter, and just suing people costs money, so you usually don't do it unless you're a retard who wants to be fined for wasting the court's time, or you think you can win.

Edit: Or unless you're a big corporation who can afford the court costs to keep down a smaller competitor by suing them even though they can't win.

[salm]

Anybody can sue anybody else in civil court for any reason at any time. Whether they win is another matter, and just suing people costs money, so you usually don't do it unless you're a retard who wants to be fined for wasting the court's time, or you think you can win.

does that change anything about the fact that the law enables you in one way or the other to win such redicolous cases and therefor needs to be changed?