BWHAHAHA....Do not pass go, do not go to Heaven!

[The Duchess of Zeon]

The Russians have the right idea there. That will make the muslim terrorists think twice before attacking the Russian civilians again.

I do not feel in anway upset at the Russian's insensitivity to the Muslims. As far as I'm concerned, they deserve to be scared.

And how would you feel if someone attacked your religion in such a way (assuming you have a religion, that is).

Uhm, why should I show sensitivity towards someone's fantasy if exploiting it in this fashion may save lives? Religion is a giant game of collective make-believe on the part of a society, and if can be used, abused, and brutalized to get said society not to kill people when they're currently going around taking hundreds of innocents hostage and slaughtering them (Even if they didn't get the chance this time they've done it before), I say do it. The Russians have the right idea, and more power to them.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

*bangs head into wall*

I just happen to find it unacceptable..and will always. Just leave me and my opinions alone!!!

Verilon all things aside you have expressed your opinion in a public forum where it is subject to criticism. The essence of debate is to change people's opinions and this case is no different, they are arguing against your opinions because they see logical faults in them. Now whether they are right or not becomes a mroal question which makes a nice big debate out of such a small difference in opinion. Basically what I'm trying to say is that expressing your opinions here leaves them open to coutner opinions, dont be mad thoguh some of your attackers could be a hell of a lot more considerate of the right to an opinion.

My point is that I do not wish to debate, as well as the fact that the same thing has been pointed out to me in excess of three people. Why, I don't know. Like I said before, I just happen to have a different moral standard. Is it so much to ask that I don't get bombarded by EVERY SINGLE PERSON that has the opposite opinion of myself?

Yes. It's quite sanctimonious of you to demand the right to state your opinion in a public place, and then expect not to have to have to defend it from those who disagree with you. That's not the way freedom of speech works - You can say whatever you want, but we can reply to it however we want to, and you just have to live with that. If you can't, then don't say it in the first place. Or get Mike to tell us to stop; but I rather doubt he will.

This is what makes our society function - The debating of the merit of ideas in public places. If you just want to state your opinion and then let it stand without any debate, take over a country, start ruling it as dictator, and issue fatwas, because things just don't work like that in a society with free speech.

[haas mark]

*politley steps out of discussion*

As neither of us is willing to change our vies for the others, I will just lurk about here, and would appreciate it if evweryone would stop responding to my post cuz I'm only gonn be lurking in this thread from now on (unless I see something that I can atatck well).

Verilon

[The Duchess of Zeon]

*politley steps out of discussion*

As neither of us is willing to change our vies for the others, I will just lurk about here, and would appreciate it if evweryone would stop responding to my post cuz I'm only gonn be lurking in this thread from now on (unless I see something that I can atatck well).

Verilon

So, basically you're conceding, by admitting that you can't reply (even in the form of an attack), to any of our counter-arguments to your own claims?

[haas mark]

*politley steps out of discussion*

As neither of us is willing to change our vies for the others, I will just lurk about here, and would appreciate it if evweryone would stop responding to my post cuz I'm only gonn be lurking in this thread from now on (unless I see something that I can atatck well).

Verilon

So, basically you're conceding, by admitting that you can't reply (even in the form of an attack), to any of our counter-arguments to your own claims?

No...I'm just inwilling to...besides, you would too, having been up as long as I have....And besides, it's not relly cool to have everyone gang up on me...esp when they all have the same argument. So although I do not concede, I do not wish to debate further. At this point, anyways.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

No...I'm just inwilling to...besides, you would too, having been up as long as I have....And besides, it's not relly cool to have everyone gang up on me...esp when they all have the same argument. So although I do not concede, I do not wish to debate further. At this point, anyways.

Perhaps whilst you lack a rebuttal and face the similiar arguments of everyone else on the board who bothered to participate, you should consider the possibility that they might be correct and you might be incorrect. I'd suggest doing that before you reply once you've had some sleep.

[haas mark]

No...I'm just inwilling to...besides, you would too, having been up as long as I have....And besides, it's not relly cool to have everyone gang up on me...esp when they all have the same argument. So although I do not concede, I do not wish to debate further. At this point, anyways.

Perhaps whilst you lack a rebuttal and face the similiar arguments of everyone else on the board who bothered to participate, you should consider the possibility that they might be correct and you might be incorrect. I'd suggest doing that before you reply once you've had some sleep.

Perhaps I may be right? Perhaps I just have a different moral standard. And sleep would be goooooooood............................

[Ted]

No...I'm just inwilling to...besides, you would too, having been up as long as I have....And besides, it's not relly cool to have everyone gang up on me...esp when they all have the same argument. So although I do not concede, I do not wish to debate further. At this point, anyways.

Perhaps whilst you lack a rebuttal and face the similiar arguments of everyone else on the board who bothered to participate, you should consider the possibility that they might be correct and you might be incorrect. I'd suggest doing that before you reply once you've had some sleep.

Perhaps I may be right? Perhaps I just have a different moral standard. And sleep would be goooooooood............................

Then go TO BED!

[haas mark]

Perhaps whilst you lack a rebuttal and face the similiar arguments of everyone else on the board who bothered to participate, you should consider the possibility that they might be correct and you might be incorrect. I'd suggest doing that before you reply once you've had some sleep.

Perhaps I may be right? Perhaps I just have a different moral standard. And sleep would be goooooooood............................

Then go TO BED!

I'm working on it....right now this chair seems mIGHTY comfy.......

[Ted]

Perhaps I may be right? Perhaps I just have a different moral standard. And sleep would be goooooooood............................

Then go TO BED!

I'm working on it....right now this chair seems mIGHTY comfy.......

Then turn computer off, turn lights off, and sit back, and pass out.

[haas mark]

One problem--comp lab...maybe they wont mind if I fall asleep....?

[Enlightenment]

I think the idea is to punish the terrorists not every Muslim in the world.

As the number of and severity of these kind of incidents continues to climb ever upwards, the difference between 'terrorists' and 'every Muslim' is getting very much smaller with each atrocity. These days, it's hardly all that far wrong to describe Islam as a religion of terrorism populated by terrorists.

[Bob McDob]

You're all idiots

[Knife]

You're all idiots

Would you like to expand on that statement?

[weemadando]

Good idea etc, but I don't really agree with it. Fact is though it will most likely inflame the muslims more.

It might, but then again it these dipweed terrorists do this kind of thing because in part of their religeon and the Russians keep doing things to desicrate the bodies and prevent them (in the Muslim world) from going to heaven the dipweed terrorists might have a second thought about attacking someone who, if the terrorist fails would prevent said terrorist from getting into heaven and getting his 70 virgins.

If their religeon is a cause of their behavior, then I don't see whats wrong in using their religeon against them. And besides, Fuck'em if they can't take a joke!

So if someone was to go around and desecrate an entire Christian graveyard then we should see it as a joke?

[The Duchess of Zeon]

So if someone was to go around and desecrate an entire Christian graveyard then we should see it as a joke?

It's obviously not a joke. It is a legitimate psych-warfare tactic; the question is if it's an effective one. And that's debatable.

Obviously, if your goal in suicide bombing is to go Paradise, for example, and we're going to wrap your remains up in pigskin, which will make you go to Hell according to your religion, that might make you think twice.

I don't see, at any rate, how it could possibly make things worse - Because the people who are going to have second thoughts about being terrorists, who are going to only be terrorists after something really outrageous happens - They're also more likely to be frightened of something like this.

So I figure that at worse you'd see no effect whatsoever in the number of terrorist incidents and people joining terrorist groups. But if it became a general policy, well, maybe it would have some sort of result. These are True Believers. They know where they're going when they press the button, and if they aren't going there because of this, they may just not press it.

I think it is certainly a valid strategy, and again, almost certainly at least cannot hurt us even if it doesn't help us.

[Stormbringer]

I think the idea is to punish the terrorists not every Muslim in the world.

As the number of and severity of these kind of incidents continues to climb ever upwards, the difference between 'terrorists' and 'every Muslim' is getting very much smaller with each atrocity. These days, it's hardly all that far wrong to describe Islam as a religion of terrorism populated by terrorists.

True but there are those Muslims that aren't. True most of the Muslim world doesn't like us here in the west. But simply disliking us doesn't mean that they're all terrorists.

The sheer pervasiveness of extremism in Islam worries me. That doesn't mean that there are no good Muslims.

[salm]

As the number of and severity of these kind of incidents continues to climb ever upwards, the difference between 'terrorists' and 'every Muslim' is getting very much smaller with each atrocity. These days, it's hardly all that far wrong to describe Islam as a religion of terrorism populated by terrorists.

that´s load of bullshit. it´s still only the extremist fundi dumbasses. i know lots of muslims and most of my neighbors are, and non of them cheered at 9/11 or the thing in russia or any other terrorist act commited by islamic terrorists. they want to get rid of the terrorist just like anybody else.

[Admiral Piett]

that´s load of bullshit. it´s still only the extremist fundi dumbasses. i know lots of muslims and most of my neighbors are, and non of them cheered at 9/11 or the thing in russia or any other terrorist act commited by islamic terrorists. they want to get rid of the terrorist just like anybody else.

It is somewhat ironic that many americans appear to reason in the same terms the terrorists do.

[Shadow WarChief]

It is somewhat ironic that many americans appear to reason in the same terms the terrorists do.

Could you elaborate on that a little bit?

[Admiral Piett]

As the number of and severity of these kind of incidents continues to climb ever upwards, the difference between 'terrorists' and 'every Muslim' is getting very much smaller with each atrocity. These days, it's hardly all that far wrong to describe Islam as a religion of terrorism populated by terrorists.

This should suffice I think.
Probably there are fanatic muslims terrorist supporters out of there who are saying the same things about us.That we all want to bomb and kill all Arab peoples blablabla

[CmdrWilkens]

As the number of and severity of these kind of incidents continues to climb ever upwards, the difference between 'terrorists' and 'every Muslim' is getting very much smaller with each atrocity. These days, it's hardly all that far wrong to describe Islam as a religion of terrorism populated by terrorists.

This should suffice I think.
Probably there are fanatic muslims terrorist supporters out of there who are saying the same things about us.That we all want to bomb and kill all Arab peoples blablabla

I was just about to say that the whole "its ALL of them" emntality is probably the biggest problem every country faces...and it sure as hell doesn't make it right. Last night I caught a snippet of Bill Maher saying that we should be invading audi Arabia and they should be in the "Axis of Evil" simply because terrorists find supporters there. I wonder if he would argue for turning Georgia into an armed camp simply because the KKK has supporters there? Anyway I think that bit by him is a symptom of a horrible disease that really needs to be stamepd out EVERYWHERE, but it'll be damn hard.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

As the number of and severity of these kind of incidents continues to climb ever upwards, the difference between 'terrorists' and 'every Muslim' is getting very much smaller with each atrocity. These days, it's hardly all that far wrong to describe Islam as a religion of terrorism populated by terrorists.

This should suffice I think.
Probably there are fanatic muslims terrorist supporters out of there who are saying the same things about us.That we all want to bomb and kill all Arab peoples blablabla

I was just about to say that the whole "its ALL of them" emntality is probably the biggest problem every country faces...and it sure as hell doesn't make it right. Last night I caught a snippet of Bill Maher saying that we should be invading audi Arabia and they should be in the "Axis of Evil" simply because terrorists find supporters there. I wonder if he would argue for turning Georgia into an armed camp simply because the KKK has supporters there? Anyway I think that bit by him is a symptom of a horrible disease that really needs to be stamepd out EVERYWHERE, but it'll be damn hard.

Well, honestly, Saudi Arabia is a considerably more obvious target in the War on Terror than Iraq. So I don't understand why what he's saying is such a big deal. I don't oppose the war on Iraq, but I think that if the bar is low enough for us to invade Iraq, than sooner or later we have to take out Saudi Arabia, or do something to staunch the flow of support to terrorists from that country, and acknowledge their role in supporting terrorism, or risk utter hypocrisy.

[Darth Wong]

Well, honestly, Saudi Arabia is a considerably more obvious target in the War on Terror than Iraq. So I don't understand why what he's saying is such a big deal. I don't oppose the war on Iraq, but I think that if the bar is low enough for us to invade Iraq, than sooner or later we have to take out Saudi Arabia, or do something to staunch the flow of support to terrorists from that country, and acknowledge their role in supporting terrorism, or risk utter hypocrisy.

Too late. The hypocrisy boat sailed the day after 9/11 when the Bin Laden family was allowed to violate the American no-fly zone so they could go home.

[Knife]

Good idea etc, but I don't really agree with it. Fact is though it will most likely inflame the muslims more.

It might, but then again it these dipweed terrorists do this kind of thing because in part of their religeon and the Russians keep doing things to desicrate the bodies and prevent them (in the Muslim world) from going to heaven the dipweed terrorists might have a second thought about attacking someone who, if the terrorist fails would prevent said terrorist from getting into heaven and getting his 70 virgins.

If their religeon is a cause of their behavior, then I don't see whats wrong in using their religeon against them. And besides, Fuck'em if they can't take a joke!

So if someone was to go around and desecrate an entire Christian graveyard then we should see it as a joke?

No, and I don't think they should do it to all Muslims. However I thought that we were discussing a bunch of terrorists who held a couple hundred hostages in Russia until the Russians ended it. I do not nor would I condone the "punishment" on those who did nothing. But again I say, if the terrorists are partly or wholly motivated by a religeon that tells them that terrorist acts are appropriate and if they are burried in pigskin will prevent them from going to heaven to reap the rewards of commiting terrorism then I say use it against them. If they could have done something of this sort to McVeigh I would have supported it as well. The actual religeon does not concern me, but the fanaticalism of the religeon does. Use it against them if you can, because they are sure as shit going to use it against you and I.