Uber Connie in SW universe

[SirNitram]

What is the highest calcs for the uber Conninie? I have never seen them.

Scotty once read the decible rating of a sonic disrupter weapon striking the hull of the ship. Such a weapon is insane, but Scotty actualy read off the DB rating of what hit the ship. IIRC it was ten times the power of the DS super laser.

This is a highest calc by the same logic that anything Timothy Jones made was a high calc. It's a bullshit calc; it presumes the Enterprise was surrounded by atmosphere at the same pressure as Earth's ocean surface. As it was in space, at best in the exosphere of the atmosphere, any calc that is not utter bullshit will be a pitiful fraction of this.

[Alyeska]

What is the highest calcs for the uber Conninie? I have never seen them.

Scotty once read the decible rating of a sonic disrupter weapon striking the hull of the ship. Such a weapon is insane, but Scotty actualy read off the DB rating of what hit the ship. IIRC it was ten times the power of the DS super laser.

This is a highest calc by the same logic that anything Timothy Jones made was a high calc. It's a bullshit calc; it presumes the Enterprise was surrounded by atmosphere at the same pressure as Earth's ocean surface. As it was in space, at best in the exosphere of the atmosphere, any calc that is not utter bullshit will be a pitiful fraction of this.

One problem, Scotty read the actual DB of what was striking the ship. That makes interpretation very strict. As I said, its insane because sound shouldn't reach the ship, yet in this instance it did.

As I said, the Uber Connie takes the highest calc you can get. Its not intended to be rationale or logical BECAUSE ITS A JOKE. But when you create a debate and specify the Uber Connie, there is no arguing its capabilities.

As I said, this debate is about as fair as pitting the care bears against a regiment of storm troopers.

[SirNitram]

Scotty once read the decible rating of a sonic disrupter weapon striking the hull of the ship. Such a weapon is insane, but Scotty actualy read off the DB rating of what hit the ship. IIRC it was ten times the power of the DS super laser.

This is a highest calc by the same logic that anything Timothy Jones made was a high calc. It's a bullshit calc; it presumes the Enterprise was surrounded by atmosphere at the same pressure as Earth's ocean surface. As it was in space, at best in the exosphere of the atmosphere, any calc that is not utter bullshit will be a pitiful fraction of this.

One problem, Scotty read the actual DB of what was striking the ship. That makes interpretation very strict. As I said, its insane because sound shouldn't reach the ship, yet in this instance it did.

Hence why I said they may be in the exosphere, a portion of the atmosphere which is incredibly thin, but present, out to orbital ranges. The DB rating will remain constant, the energy equivalent that results is a pitiful fraction when you use a reasonable atmospheric pressure. Run the numbers if you don't beleive me, Alyeska. But the decibels will remain the same. The energy delivered to the Enterprise will drop exponentially as atmospheric pressure drops.

As I said, the Uber Connie takes the highest calc you can get. Its not intended to be rationale or logical BECAUSE ITS A JOKE. But when you create a debate and specify the Uber Connie, there is no arguing its capabilities.

'Highest Calc' is misleading. I was showing it's based around an outright lie instead of reputable, but inconsistant, numbers. So sorry this offends your view of reailty, but them's the breaks.

And there is always room for argument of the capabilities. That's why it's a debate.

As I said, this debate is about as fair as pitting the care bears against a regiment of storm troopers.

Yea, if you embrace outright lies and bullshit propagated by morons.

There's plenty to elevate the WankerConnie above most Star Trek, but too bad, so sad, not to the levels you want.

[Connor MacLeod]

My questions are:

1.) How does a starship in orbit get hit by a weapon that moves at less than one kilometer per second? It would take hours or even days to strike the ship (which in and of itself creates other potential problems, depending on how the scene itself plays out.)

2.) The recoil of the "sonic weapon" would be immense (enough that it would acceclerate the Enterprise to near-lightspeed in a tiny fraction of a second, unless the engines are capable of generating equivalent counter-acceleration (which means they can accelerate at millions of gees, minimum, aside from other minor details.)

IIRC its the impulse engines that provide thrust, and those are fusion powered. And only pump out ~100 megatons tops. The energy required to counter the momentum of said "sonic weapon" would VASTLY exceed this by many orders of magnitude.

[Connor MacLeod]

That said, from what I gather Aly isnt defending the calcs, he's only saying that the "Uber connie" is represented by the assumption that the highest possible calcs (not neccecsarily the most accurate or valid ones) are in fact the correct ones, that's all.

On the other hand, the small detail of whether the calcs ARE valid/accurate does have some baearing on the discussion. Just because one can make up a number doesnt mean it automatically can be taken as fact.

[Alyeska]

Not to mention the ground weapon has to have a hell of a recoil compensator.

[Alyeska]

That said, from what I gather Aly isnt defending the calcs, he's only saying that the "Uber connie" is represented by the assumption that the highest possible calcs (not neccecsarily the most accurate or valid ones) are in fact the correct ones, that's all.

Correct. As I have been saying for some time the Uber Connie is nothing short of absurd and was meant as nothing more then a joke.

[Connor MacLeod]

Not to mention the ground weapon has to have a hell of a recoil compensator.

Good point. IIRC the calcs put it well in excess of the energy used to destroy Alderaan, which means the planet itself would be acclerated to relatavistic speeds as well (in all liklihood).

For that matter, there's the question of where all that energy goes (if its absorbed by the ship, the ship has gained an IMMENSE boost in mass, and that energy has to go somewhere of course.

[Alyeska]

As I said, its the most absurd (highest) calc you can get while sticking with the numbers given to us.

Isn't this fun screwing around with absurd calculations?

[SPOOFE]

As I have been saying for some time the Uber Connie is nothing short of absurd and was meant as nothing more then a joke.

My dear sir, you don't want to deal with "absurdity" when SPOOFE is involved!

For example, since we're clearly ABSURD, I think that Scotty was simply really high on PCP, which is legal in the future (prove that it's not!). Clearly, his drug-induced hysteria forced him to read the wrong numbers.

How did Kirk and crew fall for such an obvious blunder? They're all CRACKHEADS! That's right, Spock, Kirk, Sulu, and whatever other fuckers they got... they be all standin' 'round, thinking, "Gee, I want some crack!"

Of course, Kirk the Crackhead also can't control his sexual urges.

See?!? It all fits!!!

(That's how you do "absurd"!)

[Alyeska]

You sir, are insane.

[SirNitram]

You sir, are insane.

No. Insane is linear scaling using the WEG figures. The DS2 could take out the Culture with that sort of power.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki]

You sir, are insane.

No. Insane is linear scaling using the WEG figures. The DS2 could take out the Culture with that sort of power.

How do you do that one?

[SirNitram]

You sir, are insane.

No. Insane is linear scaling using the WEG figures. The DS2 could take out the Culture with that sort of power.

How do you do that one?

Take the stats for a VSD-I, DS1, and DS2.

Convert the DS guns into cap-scale(+3D, isn't it?).

Plot the firepower of the VSD-I quad turrets(Known, from the ICS; the Acclamator's guns won't be massively more powerful than the battleship of it's day). Plot the firepower of the DS1's main gun. Now, with those, graph where the full power, balls to the wall, total blast of the DS2 could do.

Last time I did it, it was in the E45J range.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki]

Take the stats for a VSD-I, DS1, and DS2.

Convert the DS guns into cap-scale(+3D, isn't it?).

No, actually it is a funny die cap thing. As I understand that wacky scheme, when you use a capship weapon against the Death Star, it will always count as a 1 because of the 1/6 die cap. When the Death Star's DS scale superlaser hits, the capital ship's resistance (the hull and shield codes) is always a 1. Which of course, basically means the capital ship would never be able to hurt the DS, while the superlaser shot has a very high probability of killing the capship - not as high as reality, but then a RPG has to have a bit of balance.

[SirNitram]

Take the stats for a VSD-I, DS1, and DS2.

Convert the DS guns into cap-scale(+3D, isn't it?).

No, actually it is a funny die cap thing. As I understand that wacky scheme, when you use a capship weapon against the Death Star, it will always count as a 1 because of the 1/6 die cap. When the Death Star's DS scale superlaser hits, the capital ship's resistance (the hull and shield codes) is always a 1. Which of course, basically means the capital ship would never be able to hurt the DS, while the superlaser shot has a very high probability of killing the capship - not as high as reality, but then a RPG has to have a bit of balance.

Not in the last version of WEG to hit the shelves before they folded. You just added or subtracted dice for shooting 'out of scale'. An AT-AT for example, had a +3 dice bonus against speeder-scale guns, IE, it's so massive and armoured only the heaviest of speeder guns stand a chance.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Anakin skywalker gets to blow it up again....

(ILM apparently used a model of the Enterprise as part of the debris for the TF battleship)

They didn't. It's that a portion of the Millennium Falcon is visible as the ship explodes.

From what I heard, it was an inside joke equivalent to the ROTJ shoe. Not visible on film at all. Of course, it could be nothing more than an enduring urban legend.

along with the RTOJ shoe are listed in the complete list of Easter Eggs posted after The Phantom MEncace.

Including the jawa entry in the pod race....