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Rumy: Maybe some of Iraq won't be part of elections

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Rumsfeld: Four-fifths Iraq poll?
Iraqi leader: Elections will be held on schedule
Friday, September 24, 2004 Posted: 5:59 AM EDT (0959 GMT)


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has suggested that parts of Iraq might be excluded from elections set for January due to rising violence.

On Thursday Rumsfeld expressed optimism that elections will push through as scheduled.

But at a U.S. Senate Committee hearing he raised the possibility polls might not be held in all of Iraq.

"Let's say you tried to have an election and you could have it in three-quarters or four-fifths of the country. But in some places you couldn't because the violence was too great," Rumsfeld said, hours after the leaders of the United States and Iraq met in Washington.

"Well, so be it. Nothing's perfect in life, so you have an election that's not quite perfect. Is it better than not having an election? You bet," he said. (Full story)

Rumsfeld is set to meet with Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi on Friday to talk about security as insurgents in Iraq use suicide bombings, hostage-takings, beheadings and other tactics to block Iraq's progress.

The United Nations has expressed concern about security for any personnel it might send to Iraq for the elections. Presently there are about 100,000 trained and equipped Iraqi forces.

The head of the U.S. central command Gen. John Abizaid, said on Wednesday more troops might be needed in Iraq to secure the vote and he did not discount the possibility more American troops would be needed.

Appearing with Allawi at the White House, U.S. President George W. Bush on Thursday called for resolve in the fight against insurgents and terrorists striking the interim government and U.S. forces in Iraq.

"I believe that if we fail in Iraq, it's the beginning of a long struggle," Bush said. "We will not have done our duty to our children and our grandchildren." (Full story)

He also said that "if we stop fighting the terrorists in Iraq, they would be free to plot and plan attacks elsewhere, in America and other free nations. To retreat now would betray our mission, our word and our friends."

The president said "we're not going to abandon the Iraqi people. It's in our interests that we win this battle in the war on terror."

Earlier Thursday, Allawi laid out his government's security, economic, and political aspirations, praising the contribution of America and its allies, and telling members of Congress elections will be held as scheduled.

"Elections will occur in Iraq on time in January," Allawi promised.

While acknowledging balloting won't be perfect, pointing to early elections in other nations, he promised: "They will take place and they will be free and fair" and they will be "a giant step" in Iraq's "evolution."

The overwhelming majority of Iraqis are pleased that the Saddam Hussein regime was toppled, he added, pointing to Saddam's killings and his gassing of Kurdish communities.

"Today we are better off, you are better off, the world is better off without Saddam Hussein," Allawi said. (Transcript of Allawi's address to Congress)

Wave of abductions
Iraq continues to be plagued by a wave of abductions. In the most recent case, two Egyptian engineers were kidnapped from their Baghdad office Thursday night, according to an Iraqi Interior Ministry official. (Full story)

Meanwhile a British hostage, Kenneth Bigley, faces death at the hands of his Iraqi captors.

Bigley and two Americans were abducted last Thursday from their Baghdad residence. The three men were in Iraq working on reconstruction projects.

The two Americans were beheaded Monday and Tuesday. (Full story)

Bigley's captors said he will face the same fate unless the British government meets their demand to release Muslim women from Iraqi prisons. (Full story)

U.S. officials said the only women being held in Iraq are two "high-value detainees." Both are being held at Camp Cropper near the Baghdad airport, according to Iraqi sources.

The interim Iraqi government Thursday reiterated it has no imminent plans to release any detainees -- as have Washington officials. (Full story)

Desperate but unanswered pleas to release Bigley have taken their toll on his family and put pressure on UK Prime Minister Tony Blair. (Full story)

Other developments

Turkey's government says it is considering an alternative route for its truck drivers bringing goods into neighboring Iraq in an effort to stem kidnappings. (Full story)


A Marine assigned to 1st Marine Expeditionary Force was killed in action Wednesday "while conducting security and stability operations" in Iraq's Al Anbar province, the Combined Press Information Center said Thursday. In another incident, Sana Toma, deputy-director of the Northern Oil Company, was killed Thursday morning in the Baladiyat neighborhood of Mosul, according to officials at Mosul General Hospital.
I love it. So life ain't perfect eh Rumy? What's that I hear? That giant sucking sound is Rumy's credibility going right into the toilet. Anyone see the Daily Show clip where Rumy is ranting about Sadaam --- except its really supposed to be Osamma. So in his mind he has totally acceptedthat Osamma is now Sadaam. This is so fucking sad.

As usual Bush won't float this idea himself so he has Rumy do it. "You know, it would still be cool if only 3/4 of Iraq got to vote. I mean whats a few million people who can't vote mean in the great scheme of things on our war on terror. Remember, in the end, Iraq is free - whether they like it or not."
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Wow, the way this has gone, Mission Accomplished, is going to turn into a sarcastic insult.
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Jeez. Americans can't even build an empire properly. :wink:
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sure we can. its that liberating them afterwards we have trouble with.
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We are most unequipped mentally and emotionally to build empires. Most Americas just want the rest of the world to leave us alone.

By taking these measures with the election, they are playing right into terrorist hands. Either delay the elections (granted I'd bet there is a number of you who would burn them alive for doing that) until you can get it right, or force quiet and safety on the day in question, of course that means you can't play nice so...

Jesus we had this shit nailed in the invasion, how could he bungle the occuipation so badly!?!
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Americans have difficulty with dealing with the reality of empire. They were quite prepared to knock over Indian territory, grab Hawai, run the Philipines and Cuba, own Semoa, annex Coasta Rica, etcetera, etecetera, but it has problems actually admitting that they are in any way imperialist. Intervening and installing pro-American dictators is something they have done time and time again. Actually running the place is something the electorate doesn't like and is harder with a minimalist government presence.
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And thus the new Iraqi government will have no legitimacy from the get go..and thus the insugency continues, but with new added legitimacy and a fresh lemon sent.
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