Just in Case

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-09-24 07:37pm

If anyone brings up the argument in the future (again) that SW sensors do not operate in real time, the fact that Yavin base was able to issue instructions and information to its pilots REAL TIME during the assault on the Death Star definitively proves that to be incorrect. Also, the Rebel Base did not have LOS to the DS, but was still able to detect individual enemy starfighters against the electronic jamming and the massive background noise that must've been floating around, and it was also able to detect the fact that Luke switched off his targetting computer. These capabilities essentially destroy the most common arguments about the weaknesses of SW sensors.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-09-24 11:53pm

Comms and sensors are intimately related- anyone who thinks that a civilization which communicates across the galaxy in real time wouldn't have sensors that did the same is a real moron.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2004-09-24 11:56pm

Vympel wrote:Comms and sensors are intimately related- anyone who thinks that a civilization which communicates across the galaxy in real time wouldn't have sensors that did the same is a real moron.

Can SW sensors scan across the galaxy? I don't think they can. The Holonet is different in its system of communication.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-09-25 03:08am

Isn't there an EU explanation that the Holonet has a bunch of "nodes" (like the internet world wide web) across the galaxy like satellites or something that allow communication?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-09-25 03:19am

Well, the Holonet was a communications system, not a network like the Internet. It did use a network of thousands of tranceiver units throughout the Galaxy.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-09-25 09:32am

And aren't those reciever units required to send the signals around?

I'm not saying it would be pratical to disrupt the network by destroying the recievers, but... well, isn't that a shortcoming of the system? If you were in uncharted territory or the recievers were disrupted, wouldn't that cut short your communications range?

Granted, if that is ONLY for hologram communications (and not like audio only communications like what the fighters over Yavin had inspite of the massive jamming), that's different. But there's a big difference between "faster than light super duper communication" and a system that's dependant on an area being "seeded" with these recievers.

Or am I misunderstanding?

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-09-25 09:36am

Well, the holo-net is not really needed.

As we can see in EP. II and Ep. V, hyperwave communication can go across the galaxy in real-time, without the holo-net.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-09-25 09:45am

Is the HoloNet mentioned in the novels? I know it's not mentioned in the films, unless you count the "Holonet news" fake website in the extras of the AOTC DVD.

Edit: Good point about the hyperwave (I assume that's what Obi-Wan used to try to contact Anakin, right?).

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2004-09-25 10:08am

Vympel wrote:Comms and sensors are intimately related- anyone who thinks that a civilization which communicates across the galaxy in real time wouldn't have sensors that did the same is a real moron.

Actually, sensors are disadvantaged by having to rely on reflects, which are generally much weaker than what the total propagation distance of the beam would have been.

Alan Bolte · Post by **Alan Bolte** » 2004-09-25 12:00pm

Tribun wrote:Well, the holo-net is not really needed.

As we can see in EP. II and Ep. V, hyperwave communication can go across the galaxy in real-time, without the holo-net.

Please substantiate that claim.

IIRC, in AOTC Obiwan communicated with the jedi council in realtime, but the ICS clearly states that he was not communicating directly, and had to move the signal through a local hyperwave transceiver.

By the time of the Empire, again IIRC, the holo-net had been largely transferred to use by imperial political and military groups, so any cross-galaxy communications are likely going through the net. This is even with high-powered hyperwave transceivers on their warships.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-09-25 12:02pm

The Holonet is a hyperwave based communications network. The Holonet relay satellites remain in hyperspace, IIRC.

Very powerful hyperwave transmitters can direct-connect and bypass networks.

Mark S · Post by **Mark S** » 2004-09-25 01:18pm

In Ep II, when Obi Wan is on Geonosis, he tries to contact the Council and says something to the effect of, "The transmitter is working, but we're not
receiving a return signal. Coruscant's too far. Arfour, can you boost the power?" Why would Coruscant be too far if he was being relayed through a series of transceivers on a holonet? Why would he have to relay through Anakin's ship to get the message out? Surely there would be another transceiver closer than Tatooine. It seemed obvious that he was communicating directly.

For that matter, the fact that Obi Wan was able to search for Anakin's tracking signal and find it in a matter of moments on a planet an unknown distance from his position and the position he originally thought Anakin would be, also speaks to their technology.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-09-25 02:36pm

In Ep II, when Obi Wan is on Geonosis, he tries to contact the Council and says something to the effect of, "The transmitter is working, but we're not
receiving a return signal. Coruscant's too far. Arfour, can you boost the power?" Why would Coruscant be too far if he was being relayed through a series of transceivers on a holonet? Why would he have to relay through Anakin's ship to get the message out? Surely there would be another transceiver closer than Tatooine. It seemed obvious that he was communicating directly.

For that matter, the fact that Obi Wan was able to search for Anakin's tracking signal and find it in a matter of moments on a planet an unknown distance from his position and the position he originally thought Anakin would be, also speaks to their technology.

Simple. He wasn't using the holonet. He was using a point to point transmission, and it was out of range for his fighters little transmitter.

If I recall, Holonet transmissions are easily traceable.

Mark S · Post by **Mark S** » 2004-09-25 03:48pm

Praxis wrote:Simple. He wasn't using the holonet. He was using a point to point transmission,

That was my point. He was not using a holonet.