Why was Palpatine not notified..

Barbatis · Post by **Barbatis** » 2004-09-27 11:36pm

They didnt know for sure but Mon Mothma said, "It is belived that the Emperor himself is over seeing the construction." This may not be exact correct if wrong, plz.

Panzer Grenadier · Post by **Panzer Grenadier** » 2004-09-27 11:43pm

Stofsk wrote:
Techno_Union wrote:You'd think the Emperor's guards would at least be notified.

They might not be so hasty to warn him... seing as though they would die in an instant for him.
What did happen to them, anyway? At the end of the duel and Palpatine's treatment of Luke, neither Luke nor Vader looked to be in any shape to fight anyone else. So how did they get passed the Red Guards? What happened to them? I somehow doubt they abandoned their posts.

Maybe with the Emperor already dead and their primary purpose of defending him over they commited ritualistic suicide to be with their leader in the next life or something weird like that.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-09-28 12:01am

They could have killed Luke and Vader or at least attempted to, before committing ritualistic suicide. Hell if Mara Jade is given a telepathic impulse to kill Luke Skywalker from the Emperor then why not his immediate guardians? I just want to know if they were too far away to intervene in Luke's escape or if they were killed by Luke who was in the process of escaping.

Executor32 · Post by **Executor32** » 2004-09-28 12:48am

Praxis wrote:
Hardy wrote:
Praxis wrote:Er, you think in the thick of a massive battle, they're going to take the time to scan the entire surace of the Death Star and try to figure out which tower one man is sitting in, when they could just as easily fly in and blow the whole thing up?
Wouldn't the Death Star's Luxury Suite be something you'd find on those stolen plans? Or is it just that Palpy allowed the Rebels just barely enough information to formulate an attack plan?
They only had the plans to the first DS, not the second, and since the second is much larger, its position would be different.

WTF are you talking about? They had to steal the plans for the second Death Star as well, which was one of the major plot points of Shadows of the Empire. Also, since Palpatine let the Bothans have the plans (while still putting on a show of getting them back, so the Rebels wouldn't get suspicious), it's very likely that he either gave them slightly outdated plans or 'fake' plans without the tower. Hell, it's possible that the tower was never in the 'official' DS2 plans, and was simply designed onsite as an addon at the Emperor's request.

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2004-09-28 12:51am

Stofsk wrote:They could have killed Luke and Vader or at least attempted to, before committing ritualistic suicide. Hell if Mara Jade is given a telepathic impulse to kill Luke Skywalker from the Emperor then why not his immediate guardians? I just want to know if they were too far away to intervene in Luke's escape or if they were killed by Luke who was in the process of escaping.

Most probably the latter. They would've been pissed that he (as they would've thought) killed their master; remember, Tierce killed Rukh after the Noghri killed Thrawn. Probably they're conditioned to exact revenge, no matter what the circumstances, upon any who violate the person of the Emperor and/or try to ursurp His Imperial Majesty's authority (hence the Guardsman's assassination of the Moff who was doing a coup attempt in Crimson Empire II). Since Tierce was a clone, it's not unreasonable to assume that Thrawn programmed him to be loyal to himself in a similar manner, or had the means of doing so.

Armored Goldbar · Post by **Armored Goldbar** » 2004-09-28 02:56am

Maybe they saw this Jedi come out of the throne room dragging Darth Fucking Vader, AFTER apparently vanquishing the Emperor himself, and decided that the Death Star crew had the right idea with the "Get Out of Dodge" Plan.

Not to mention that the DS was falling apart around them. Maybe they were forced to evacuate or killed in a blast. I don't think it's that big a plot gap.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-09-28 03:04am

Armored Goldbar wrote:I don't think it's that big a plot gap.

It's just something that interests me, and an aspect of the story that is left to the imagination to fill. It doesn't really bug me.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2004-09-28 12:32pm

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:Would they necessarily weak-minded? They are among the elite soldiers of the Empire who were hand-picked to protect the Emperor of the Galctic Empire. And I thought they were also Force-trained.

The Red armours troops seen in RotJ weren't the Royal Gaurd.
They were only Stormtroopers in red armour, easily manipulated ala ANH. The real royal guard was surving as a Stormtrooper unit on Generis this is stated in "Spectre of Past"

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-09-28 03:57pm

Hardy wrote:Then again, I don't think that any Rebels knew that the Emperor was present at all. If there's supposedly nothing there, why bother atacking?

Wrong, later EU sources point out that not only did the Rebellion know Palpy was there but Mon Mothma wanted to put off the attack because of it.

crazedwraith wrote:The Red armours troops seen in RotJ weren't the Royal Gaurd.
They were only Stormtroopers in red armour, easily manipulated ala ANH. The real royal guard was surving as a Stormtrooper unit on Generis this is stated in "Spectre of Past"

Wrong. Specter stated that the Imperial Guard unit Major Tierse(sp) was attached too was on stormtrooper duty. They does not mean that Palpy had only one guard unit. Theres bound to be more than 1 IRG unit.

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » 2004-09-28 04:39pm

Lord Pounder wrote:
Hardy wrote:Then again, I don't think that any Rebels knew that the Emperor was present at all. If there's supposedly nothing there, why bother atacking?
Wrong, later EU sources point out that not only did the Rebellion know Palpy was there but Mon Mothma wanted to put off the attack because of it.

I stand corrected.

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2004-09-28 04:47pm

Crazedwraith wrote: The Red armours troops seen in RotJ weren't the Royal Gaurd.
They were only Stormtroopers in red armour, easily manipulated ala ANH. The real royal guard was surving as a Stormtrooper unit on Generis this is stated in "Spectre of Past"

Actually, as stated in the first book of the Hand of Thrawn duology (forgot the bloody name), the Royal Guard was composed of several units, rotating back and forth between field duty and guard duty; the field duty was often on rebellious planets, where the Guard units were used as special-forces troopers in order to keep their skills sharp. Tierce-- the original-- was in one such rotation when the Emperor was killed.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2004-09-28 04:51pm

Elheru Aran wrote:
Crazedwraith wrote: The Red armours troops seen in RotJ weren't the Royal Gaurd.
They were only Stormtroopers in red armour, easily manipulated ala ANH. The real royal guard was surving as a Stormtrooper unit on Generis this is stated in "Spectre of Past"
Actually, as stated in the first book of the Hand of Thrawn duology (forgot the bloody name), the Royal Guard was composed of several units, rotating back and forth between field duty and guard duty; the field duty was often on rebellious planets, where the Guard units were used as special-forces troopers in order to keep their skills sharp. Tierce-- the original-- was in one such rotation when the Emperor was killed.

No, he said the The Royal Guard was rotated with Stormtrooper units. As per the first books of the hand of thrawn duology: "Spectre of the Past"

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