Technical Commentaries Updates

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-08-11 10:11pm

New entries for the AT-HE (some of the text imples it may be in future movies, compare that with recent ROTS spoilers); Mandator SDD; Procurator SBC; DS2 comments from ITW; and in an older entry, mathmatical evidence for insane production based off the droid army's possible exponential expansion rate and fact that hte Republic must keep pace to hope to win.

I wonder if comments on the Acclamator might appear soon.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2004-08-11 11:18pm

I am so hoping we get to see some cool new Star Destroyers come next May.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-08-12 01:35am

Wicked Pilot wrote:I am so hoping we get to see some cool new Star Destroyers come next May.

We'll at least see the Venator...

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2004-08-12 04:05am

In his comments about the Mandator SDD, Procurator SBC and the AT-HE, Saxton refers to the AOTC:ICS. I haven't read the Incredible Cross-sections for AOTC, are these ships/vehicle mentioned in the book, or is the mentioning of these subtle hints?

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2004-08-12 05:04am

We'll at least see the Venator...

From the latest Pablo-chat on the OS:

There is a variety of REPUBLIC CRUISERS.

Mind you, the "cruiser" term probably doesn´t refer to proper classes, it´s just Pablo-speak.

I haven't read the Incredible Cross-sections for AOTC, are these ships/vehicle mentioned in the book, or is the mentioning of these subtle hints?

Yes, they´re all mentioned in the book, the ships in regards to Kuat´s sector defence force and the AT-HE being inspired by the success of the AT-TE, along with the AT-AT.
Wouldn´t be surprised if the six-legged walker seen in certain web-docs is an AT-HE, made after Saxton´s reference.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2004-08-12 12:15pm

VT-16 wrote:
I haven't read the Incredible Cross-sections for AOTC, are these ships/vehicle mentioned in the book, or is the mentioning of these subtle hints?
Yes, they´re all mentioned in the book, the ships in regards to Kuat´s sector defence force and the AT-HE being inspired by the success of the AT-TE, along with the AT-AT.
Wouldn´t be surprised if the six-legged walker seen in certain web-docs is an AT-HE, made after Saxton´s reference.

Thanks for clearing that up! It seems as if Kuat has an extremely powerful defense force (which of course would be needed to protect the ship building facilities). I hope we'll see some of those ships (and the AT-HE) in ROTS.

Clone Sergeant · Post by **Clone Sergeant** » 2004-08-12 01:42pm

VT-16 wrote:Wouldn´t be surprised if the six-legged walker seen in certain web-docs is an AT-HE, made after Saxton´s reference.

While it's certainly possible we might see the AT-HE in ROTS, the walker in the webdocs is just an AT-TE with extended legs, a picture of the maquette was posted in the spoiler thread a couple months ago. You can see the same vehicle in those Kashyyyk art design pictures the OS put up a few weeks ago, as well. They probably added the longer legs so that the AT-TE could more easily get around in Kashyyyk's lagoons and forested areas.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2004-08-12 03:22pm

It must be great to speculate on your own website about something you put into official literature yourself.

Not that i mind, but i somehow think CS is overdoing it - i mean, how many different kind of walkers does the empire need? How many different kinds of warship?

And then Procurators and Mandators being part of the Imperial Navy. Aren´t those things supposed to be restricted to their own sectors because of their limited hyperdrive-capabilities?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-08-12 03:38pm

I don't really see a problem with it. It's information that has to be added, after all.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2004-08-12 03:41pm

FTeik wrote:It must be great to speculate on your own website about something you put into official literature yourself.

Not that i mind, but i somehow think CS is overdoing it - i mean, how many different kind of walkers does the empire need? How many different kinds of warship?

And then Procurators and Mandators being part of the Imperial Navy. Aren´t those things supposed to be restricted to their own sectors because of their limited hyperdrive-capabilities?

We are talking about a galactic government with millions of various worlds. I don't think you can some up with a particualr vehicle that's good for all those worlds, environmnts, etc. Plus you need to have equipment that is better suited for poorer worlds, like the Soviets used to make tanks for export to African shit holes thus we may have walkers that are to exported to shit hole worlds. The variety of the Star Wars universe calls for a variety of vehicles or at least options.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-08-12 04:05pm

FTeik wrote:Not that i mind, but i somehow think CS is overdoing it - i mean, how many different kind of walkers does the empire need? How many different kinds of warship?

Is this a joke? There are precisely three known Republican ships at the time of AOTC: the Acclamator, the courier seen in TPM, and the Dreadnaught from the EU.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-08-12 04:05pm

The Procurator- and Mandator-class vessels may still serve in defense forces of important sectors, in which case there's no need to build a newer model for the same mission. Added hyperdrive range would be extraneous and inefficient.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2004-08-12 04:18pm

FTeik wrote:It must be great to speculate on your own website about something you put into official literature yourself.

Not that i mind, but i somehow think CS is overdoing it - i mean, how many different kind of walkers does the empire need? How many different kinds of warship?

Well, take a look at the real-world navies here on Earth, there are frigates, destroyers, carriers etc. We don't get to see that much diversity when it comes to different types of Imperial capital ships in the OT. When it comes to walkers, as Stravo pointed out, there are many different environments and terrains in the billions of different planets in the Star Wars galaxy. It would be difficult to create a single vehicle that could cover all sorts of missions in different terrains.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2004-08-12 04:27pm

There are precisely three known Republican ships at the time of AOTC: the Acclamator, the courier seen in TPM, and the Dreadnaught from the EU.

In addition there´s an "Acclamator-variant" seen in Ep. 20 of the CW. (I think somebody just drew a shitty Acclamator, but it still counts.)

It dominates the background as we see the aftermath of the Battle of Muunilinst, parked right in the city centre, amongst the buildings

. Has three engines on each side of the "tail-fin" (all smaller than the two on either side of the Accs), and a larger body (probably better suited to a carrier-role). I just took the time to mention this as it seems I´m the only one who picked up on it...

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-08-12 10:40pm

I suspect that, like the AT-AR, these ships where not created by Dr. Saxton, but just him naming pre-existing ships. He just lists them seperately because as he states, there is yet to be published images of them confirming this.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-08-12 10:43pm

The Mandator and Procurator definitely don't exist yet (unless they belong to one of the few Star Cruiser vessels around Byss with the ventral bulb, but that's not even the right classification for them).

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2004-08-13 04:23am

Howedar wrote:
FTeik wrote:Not that i mind, but i somehow think CS is overdoing it - i mean, how many different kind of walkers does the empire need? How many different kinds of warship?
Is this a joke? There are precisely three known Republican ships at the time of AOTC: the Acclamator, the courier seen in TPM, and the Dreadnaught from the EU.

No, this is not a joke.

I´m talking about the era of the empire and wonder, what two ship-designs, that could be several decades old, were probabely reduced in large numbers thanks to the clone-wars and have only limited hyperdrives, have lost in the Imperial Navy.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2004-09-29 02:26pm

Sorry to revive this thread (while I know it's thread necromancy, I suggested that this thread should be made a sticky), but there has been an update over at Dr. Saxton's excellent site. The update deals with the Alderaan shield effect as seen in the ANH DVD edition (with video frames from Mike):

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/alderaan.html#shield

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-09-29 06:57pm

Sorry to reply to the thread necromancy revival (wait, isn't adding new important information not considered breaking that rule? oh well, lock if you must), but Mike Wong has the Full Frame version of the SW Trilogy DVD's? I'm shocked!

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-09-29 07:28pm

Kurgan wrote:Sorry to reply to the thread necromancy revival (wait, isn't adding new important information not considered breaking that rule? oh well, lock if you must), but Mike Wong has the Full Frame version of the SW Trilogy DVD's? I'm shocked!

I must prove you wrong. All new pictures on Mike's site are made with the widescreen edition. Maybe, Saxton just zoomed the pictures?

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2004-09-29 08:04pm

Tribun wrote:
I must prove you wrong. All new pictures on Mike's site are made with the widescreen edition. Maybe, Saxton just zoomed the pictures?

The DVD video capture that Wong put up HERE is Fullscreen however.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-09-29 08:06pm

I would venture that Mike might have both for the added resolution that fullscreen provides, at the sacrifice of cutting off the sides of the picture.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-09-29 09:00pm

Kurgan wrote:Sorry to reply to the thread necromancy revival (wait, isn't adding new important information not considered breaking that rule? oh well, lock if you must), but Mike Wong has the Full Frame version of the SW Trilogy DVD's? I'm shocked!

You really think I would buy just one of the two available versions?

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-09-29 11:58pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Kurgan wrote:Sorry to reply to the thread necromancy revival (wait, isn't adding new important information not considered breaking that rule? oh well, lock if you must), but Mike Wong has the Full Frame version of the SW Trilogy DVD's? I'm shocked!
You really think I would buy just one of the two available versions?

Why Did you buy two versions? (I did that too, but i'm stupid..)

President Sharky · Post by **President Sharky** » 2004-09-30 12:11am

You bought both full and widescreen? Whoa, Mike sure has mucho dinero; I wish I were as fortunate.