X-Men in Detention block AA23

[Stravo]

The great wormhole effect replaces Han Solo, Luke Skywalker and Chewbacca with the Claremont era X-Men as they are riding up the turbolift to arrive at detention block AA23.

The Claremont lineup is as follows:
Cyclops
Wolverine
Colossus
Nightcrawler
Banshee
Storm (Not sure if Storm has been shown to be able to create weather effects in an artificial construct like the DS.)
Kitty Pride(Due to the density of the metals in the DS she can only phase herself through and can take no other 'passengers' with her. Also assume that the magentically sealed door in the compactor keeps her from phasing as well.)

They know that they must save the Princess and they win once they reach the Falcon. Leia will trust them and team up with them for the escape. Can the Death Star's security stop the uncanny X-Men?

Also Obi Wan vanishes as soon as deactivates the tractor beam and he is replaced by a Professor X that can walk. Professor X will be cornered by Vader as he did Obi Wan. Can the Earth's most powerful telepath hold off Vader while his students try to make it to the Falcon?

[Bertie Wooster]

Would the latent powers of the X-men cause a disturbance in the force detectable by Vader?

Could it be assumed the meta-human abilities of the X-men would be perceived by Jedi "danger sense?

[Batman]

Would the latent powers of the X-men cause a disturbance in the force detectable by Vader?

No. Those are not Force powers, they are mutations. Mutations are what actually enables species to evolve. Last time I checked, a Wookie's power to rip people's arms out of their sockets didn't trigger Vader's Force sense.

Could it be assumed the meta-human abilities of the X-men would be perceived by Jedi "danger sense?

No.
1. To my knowledge, there IS no such thing as Jedi 'danger sense'. If you're relating to their ability to anticipate incoming attacks, that's Force precog.
2. If they HAD, it would NOT register mutant powers: They are a potential danger, not an actual one. If that sense DOES register potential dangers, I pity the Jedi: Their danger sense continually registers gravity, water, traffic, firearms, toxic chemicals, virii, reality TV...

[Ghost Rider]

Actually if they pick their battles, they could actually make it out easily.

They will have to realize that even Colossus will be killed by blaster fire, but this just means more stealth will be needed. Both Kitty and Kurt can provide a decent recon along with Wolverine, and since they know the objective, they won't be actively seeking battles.

On the other hand they will have to make kills quickly and actually do a lot more running then combat since the Imperials will note they aren't just a couple guys with guns, so they make actually call up on more forces.

As for Xavier vs Vader....sure Xavier can distract Vader...no likely to trump it, but distraction sure.

[Warspite]

Storm (Not sure if Storm has been shown to be able to create weather effects in an artificial construct like the DS.)

I remember a few times when she created wind, rain and snow in enclosed spaces.

Also Obi Wan vanishes as soon as deactivates the tractor beam and he is replaced by a Professor X that can walk. Professor X will be cornered by Vader as he did Obi Wan. Can the Earth's most powerful telepath hold off Vader while his students try to make it to the Falcon?

I think this is the loosing point, can Xavier hold off Vader long enough with illusions of some sort before the Dark Lord chops his head off?

[Bertie Wooster]

Last time I checked, a Wookie's power to rip people's arms out of their sockets didn't trigger Vader's Force sense.

If that sense DOES register potential dangers, I pity the Jedi: Their danger sense continually registers gravity, water, traffic, firearms, toxic chemicals, virii, reality TV...

Excellent points, Caped Crusader. I was ambivalent about the issue because of certain force powers listed in the WEG starwars RPG and Anakin and Obi-Wan sensing the giant caterpillers in Amidala's room but you put the application of force sense in good context.

[Gustav32Vasa]

They will have to realize that even Colossus will be killed by blaster fire, but this just means more stealth will be needed.

Is a blaster more powerful then a nuclear device?

Rogue who is not as invulnerable as Colossus survived being hit by the blast of a nuclear device.

[Ghost Rider]

They will have to realize that even Colossus will be killed by blaster fire, but this just means more stealth will be needed.

Is a blaster more powerful then a nuclear device?

Rogue who is not as invulnerable as Colossus survived being hit by the blast of a nuclear device.

How many tons was it and how far away was he from ground zero?

This matter given we're talking him survivng multi 8 MJ shots, and given where he was and and the fact a bomb blast is not a concentrated single all the Joules of energy into one small area

It would give a better definition of his higher limits. Also given that most things that don't do multi MT do hurt him and have shown to do significant damage.

His mid range is definitly within multiple blaster shots, given he's shown stagger from a more then a few RPG blasts.

[Batman]

I remember a few times when she created wind, rain and snow in enclosed spaces.

Storm's ability to do her spiel in enclosed spaces is uncontended. The question is can she do it outside a planet's atmosphere? While the answer is very likely still Yes (my knowledge of X-Men is shaky at best) the question wether she can do so on the Death Star is absolutely valid.

[Ender]

They will have to realize that even Colossus will be killed by blaster fire, but this just means more stealth will be needed.

Is a blaster more powerful then a nuclear device?

Rogue who is not as invulnerable as Colossus survived being hit by the blast of a nuclear device.

There is that little matter of inetnsity you know. It's one thing to get hit by 8 MJ over your entire body. Its another thing entirely for that energy to be focused in an extremely small space. FOr all we know, blasters have sub-nuclear intensities.

[Bob the Gunslinger]

They will have to realize that even Colossus will be killed by blaster fire, but this just means more stealth will be needed.

Is a blaster more powerful then a nuclear device?

Rogue who is not as invulnerable as Colossus survived being hit by the blast of a nuclear device.

How many tons was it and how far away was he from ground zero?

This matter given we're talking him survivng multi 8 MJ shots, and given where he was and and the fact a bomb blast is not a concentrated single all the Joules of energy into one small area

It would give a better definition of his higher limits. Also given that most things that don't do multi MT do hurt him and have shown to do significant damage.

His mid range is definitly within multiple blaster shots, given he's shown stagger from a more then a few RPG blasts.

I don't know about Colossos, but Rogue was confronting Magneto, who had just stolen the nukes off of a Russian sub (Cold War era). Floating thousands of feet above the ocean, they reach a kind of compromise just before Rogue is hit by some kind of Russian air-to-air missile. The missile knocks her out of the sky and she is still falling when Magneto detonates one of the nukes (to kill the Russian airplanes). Magneto uses his megnetism to protect himself and the other nukes and flies off to space to declare his asteroid a nuclear-capable power.
Later in the same comic, the X-men visit Rogue in the Hospital where she is making a full recovery.

[Gustav32Vasa]

I remember a few times when she created wind, rain and snow in enclosed spaces.

Storm's ability to do her spiel in enclosed spaces is uncontended. The question is can she do it outside a planet's atmosphere? While the answer is very likely still Yes (my knowledge of X-Men is shaky at best) the question wether she can do so on the Death Star is absolutely valid.

Yes she has created wind rain and more when she has been on starships.

But Storm suffer from claustrophobia so she may have problem on the Deathstar

[Gustav32Vasa]

There is that little matter of inetnsity you know. It's one thing to get hit by 8 MJ over your entire body. Its another thing entirely for that energy to be focused in an extremely small space. FOr all we know, blasters have sub-nuclear intensities.

I see your point but is also differ from writer to writer on how much they can withstand.

[Ghost Rider]

There is that little matter of inetnsity you know. It's one thing to get hit by 8 MJ over your entire body. Its another thing entirely for that energy to be focused in an extremely small space. FOr all we know, blasters have sub-nuclear intensities.

I see your point but is also differ from writer to writer on how much they can withstand.

Then one usually takes all of the known incidents and sees which ones are the most reoccuring to get a decent look.

Then you can calculate from there.

Comics are not much different then most media but require a bit more work because usually what happens is not always the last word in what is.

[Gil Hamilton]

I don't know. I seem to remember Colossus taking some serious shit before. In his very first appearance, a run away tractor slammed into him with enough force to crumple it like a tin can and the greatest amount of damage to Peter was that he felt bad that his neighbors would never be able to afford another one to replace the one he crushed. I can't be sure, but I also think he's been on the receiving end of a tank shell before and survived it well enough.

I think the X-Men could make it to the Falcon, so long as they've got 3PO and R2 helping them get there in terms of direction. Stormtroopers are exactly the sort of foe that Wolverine is geared toward (he tears his way through a few dozen high tech special forces before lunch on weekends, at least in his title), as well as Cyclops. Kurt is useful for ambushing and scouting, as well as Kitty, who can be largely invulnerable as long as she steers clear of serious magnetic fields. I don't see Storm and Banshee being major players here, since in enclosed spaces, Banshee is every bit as dangerous to the X-Men and Leia as he is to the Imperials and Storm doesn't have very much room to do her thing (and I don't think making DS halls have a bout of inclement weather is going to deter Stormtroopers). Colossus is good for smashing up Stormies, but if Colossus can be hurt by blasters, then he may not survive this. Then again, he's been in worse situations.

In terms of Xavier versus Darth Vader, I certainly think that Prof X can keep Vader busy enough for the X-Men and Leia to escape. This is the same man who can cause a crowded New York street to spontaneously forget that they just witnessed the X-Men throw down against a bunch of 20 feet tall purple robots and has globally spanning powers. Chances are, as powerful as Vader is, Xavier can telepathically stop him long enough for the X-Men to make it out of there.

[Meest]

I don't know about Colossos, but Rogue was confronting Magneto, who had just stolen the nukes off of a Russian sub (Cold War era). Floating thousands of feet above the ocean, they reach a kind of compromise just before Rogue is hit by some kind of Russian air-to-air missile. The missile knocks her out of the sky and she is still falling when Magneto detonates one of the nukes (to kill the Russian airplanes). Magneto uses his megnetism to protect himself and the other nukes and flies off to space to declare his asteroid a nuclear-capable power.
Later in the same comic, the X-men visit Rogue in the Hospital where she is making a full recovery.

Looks like Magneto still shields her and even mentions "saving" her so don't think she took the brunt of a nuke.

Though you're right she takes an air-to-air missle, but also earlier they are practicing at the mansion and she takes a SAM missile hit and is knocked out. Was it ever explained how much of Ms. Marvel's powers she has? I don't know much about Ms. Marvel was she a cosmic type equilivent to Captain Marvel?

[Warspite]

I remember a few times when she created wind, rain and snow in enclosed spaces.

Storm's ability to do her spiel in enclosed spaces is uncontended. The question is can she do it outside a planet's atmosphere? While the answer is very likely still Yes (my knowledge of X-Men is shaky at best) the question wether she can do so on the Death Star is absolutely valid.

I always thought that where ever there is an atmosphere, she can use her powers, after all, the DS is just one big military installation.

My view of her powers is, if there is moisture, temperature and pressure gradients, then her powers work.

Yes she has created wind rain and more when she has been on starships.

But Storm suffer from claustrophobia so she may have problem on the Deathstar

How so? Has she had claustrophobia attacks on the X-Mansion's underground? On the pre-training danger room?

[Gil Hamilton]

I always thought that where ever there is an atmosphere, she can use her powers, after all, the DS is just one big military installation.

My view of her powers is, if there is moisture, temperature and pressure gradients, then her powers work.

Her powers work on the Blue Area of the moon, where there is atmosphere, but no weather to speak of. I'm guessing she can affect the air in the DS.

[General Zod]

I remember a few times when she created wind, rain and snow in enclosed spaces.

Storm's ability to do her spiel in enclosed spaces is uncontended. The question is can she do it outside a planet's atmosphere? While the answer is very likely still Yes (my knowledge of X-Men is shaky at best) the question wether she can do so on the Death Star is absolutely valid.

Yes she has created wind rain and more when she has been on starships.

But Storm suffer from claustrophobia so she may have problem on the Deathstar

iirc, in x-treme x men tpb #2, when they're on board an alien fortress Storm has difficulty commanding her powers to their fullest extent on board an alien craft due to the lack of natural weather patterns. She manages to do some stuff due to things like the moisture in the air, the water pipes, etc. but nowhere as easily as she normally does in the earth's atmosphere.

[SyntaxVorlon]

Storm causes a fog to roll out of the turbolift as the door opens, the other Xmen get out quickly and Kat and Kurt run diversion while cyclops and wolverine knock out the storm troopers from behind.
Colossus can get left home.
They escape down to the garbage masher while kurt opens the door from the outside. The lot of them use what weapons they stole from the troopers on the detention level to knock out stromies on their way back to the hanger. And X dies securing their escape.

[Gustav32Vasa]

iirc, in x-treme x men tpb #2, when they're on board an alien fortress Storm has difficulty commanding her powers to their fullest extent on board an alien craft due to the lack of natural weather patterns. She manages to do some stuff due to things like the moisture in the air, the water pipes, etc. but nowhere as easily as she normally does in the earth's atmosphere.

In Contest of Champions 2 Storm used her powers frequently without any problems.

[Gustav32Vasa]

How so? Has she had claustrophobia attacks on the X-Mansion's underground? On the pre-training danger room?

Not as I remember but the first time she went into the Morlock tunnels she had trouble. And she really dont like lifts. The cellblock I think would be difficult for her.

[General Zod]

iirc, in x-treme x men tpb #2, when they're on board an alien fortress Storm has difficulty commanding her powers to their fullest extent on board an alien craft due to the lack of natural weather patterns. She manages to do some stuff due to things like the moisture in the air, the water pipes, etc. but nowhere as easily as she normally does in the earth's atmosphere.

In Contest of Champions 2 Storm used her powers frequently without any problems.

not familiar with that storyarc. where was the contest itself held? iirc the main reason she had trouble using her powers in the invasion story arc was due to the lack of any existing weather conditions.

[Gustav32Vasa]

not familiar with that storyarc. where was the contest itself held? iirc the main reason she had trouble using her powers in the invasion story arc was due to the lack of any existing weather conditions.

In orbit around earth onboard a giant starship. (One of those whale ships.)

[Utah Jak]

It would be very interesting, but I would give the edge to the X-Men. Wolverine's claws could cut easily cut through the trash compactors doors, but I don't know what effect the magnetic shield would have on his adamantium coated skeleton. I would enjoy watching it though.