Is there anything in Star Trek that can threaten Star Wars?

[Shinova]

Excluding omnipotent people like the Q, is there anything in the Star Trek universe that can stand up to the Empire in SW?

[Master of Ossus]

Only on a very local scale, to the best of anyone's knowledge. Some people believe that S8472 has a chance, but most scholars now agree that short of the Gods of ST, there's not a lot that can hurt the Empire.

[Howedar]

Maybe the ST Builders (Dyson sphere constructors and assorted races).

[Mr Bean]

8472 might be a hassel due to being able to attack thier assets so they can retreat at any time however pretty much nope

The entire Galaxy is under Gigaton ranged weaponry meaning on a 1 to 1 Fight anything above a Corvette can fight off any ship of the line of any race

[paladin]

Maybe the Federation Bureaucracy?

[neoolong]

It's just that there is a huge scale difference in SW vs. ST. The Empire has how many ships and how many systems. And then compare that to the different peoples of ST. Technology is also an issue that merely increases the differences.

[Sea Skimmer]

Nothings that’s not a one off plot device.

[SPOOFE]

No single entity in ST (aside from omnipotents) can threaten the SW galaxy. They can cause a bit of a hassle - 8472's planet-cracking ability can cause a ruckus to non-shielded worlds, and the Voth have some nifty toys - but there's nothing that can pose a threat, militarily.

[Darth Wong]

No one that's a local resident. The people who built the Dyson sphere must have stupendous industrial capabilities, but they don't seem to live in that neighbourhood anymore. If you look at the locals (Romulans, Klingons, Breen, Federation, Dominion, Hirogen, Cardassians, Ferengi, Borg), none of them stand a chance.

The toughest among them is the Borg, and they're VASTLY overrated. We have numerous examples of single-homeworld species resisting them for CENTURIES, such as Arturis' people, and if a sustained barrage of low-MT class weapons can take down a Borg cube, a single hit from a 200GT turbolaser will blow it to smithereens.

S8472 are often regarded as the Great Shite Hope, but how many of them are there, how many planet-killer ships do they have, what's their operational range, and are they capable of improving upon their shameful display of abject cowardice from "Scorpion"?

[spongyblue]

Ripped shirt Kirk with the promise of 30 Green Orion Animal women if he wins.

[Isolder74]

I can't think of anything but I'll look into it

[Darth Yoshi]

Ripped shirt Kirk with the promise of 30 Green Orion Animal women if he wins.

Against the full might of the Imperial Navy? I like Kirk, but he doesn't stand a chance.

[Stravo]

I do believe that the only force in the ST universe that can give the Empire trouble, aside from the gods is James T. Kirk....

I think there's a story about that somewhere.

[tharkûn]

Maybe some of the telepaths? I.e. the Talosions.

Sith Lord: Take and subdue Talos IV. BDZ if needed.
Grand Admiral: It will be done
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Talosions dick with the Grand Admiral's mind making him think Corcuscant is Talos IV.

Probably not going to work due to the interplay between Sith/Jedi powers and the Talosion telepathy, not to mention the completely unknown range constraints.

The future feddies stand a decent chance: galaxy hopping transporter, phasers whose NDF works on metals, whatever the walk-through-walls technology is, and the ability to destroy an entire solar system with one fighter sized ship (assuming it wasn't a freak incident). But I don't think they are included in the initial post.

Otherwise nobody has speed, industrial capacity, or firepower to mess with SW. Telepaths might be able to "borrow" Imperial assets, but other than that I know of only one race which beats SW in any of the three categories, but they seem to not have the resources needed to exploit that advatange.

[Ender]

IF they did nonstupid things (IE used transporters to clone a bunch of Datas, gave him new programming for a supply of good foot soldiers) and had access to their lost tech, and had a plenty of time to prepare, possibly the Feds could do something. And if the 8's weapons didn't depend on chain reactions, they could be a threat.

As it stands now, it's pretty unlikely.

[Darth Wong]

None of that crap matters. In a war of attrition, the larger combatant wins unless the smaller one can score such a high kill ratio that it makes up for the size discrepancy. The Empire can annihilate planets with ruthless efficiency and staggering speed; they could easily BDZ every single major inhabited planet in the Federation, Romulan Empire, Klingon Empire, and Dominion in less than a day. The Trek forces simply have no counter for that, and they're certainly not going to annihilate 100 Imperial worlds for every one of theirs that goes down, so they would be forced to surrender (barring the usual idiotic "fight to the last man, woman and child" childish fanboy stupidity). The harder they fight, the worse they would suffer in the end.

[Sea Skimmer]

Maybe some of the telepaths? I.e. the Talosions.

Sith Lord: Take and subdue Talos IV. BDZ if needed.
Grand Admiral: It will be done
---
Talosions dick with the Grand Admiral's mind making him think Corcuscant is Talos IV.

Probably not going to work due to the interplay between Sith/Jedi powers and the Talosion telepathy, not to mention the completely unknown range constraints.

The future feddies stand a decent chance: galaxy hopping transporter, phasers whose NDF works on metals, whatever the walk-through-walls technology is, and the ability to destroy an entire solar system with one fighter sized ship (assuming it wasn't a freak incident). But I don't think they are included in the initial post.

Otherwise nobody has speed, industrial capacity, or firepower to mess with SW. Telepaths might be able to "borrow" Imperial assets, but other than that I know of only one race which beats SW in any of the three categories, but they seem to not have the resources needed to exploit that advatange.

Given the Emperors ability to raise the moral of and coordinate the actions of trillions of Imperial personal, I doubt any of the telepathic powers in Trek would stand a chance of getting control of anything.

[Lord of the Farce]

Maybe some of the telepaths? I.e. the Talosions.

Sith Lord: Take and subdue Talos IV. BDZ if needed.
Grand Admiral: It will be done
---
Talosions dick with the Grand Admiral's mind making him think Corcuscant is Talos IV.

Probably not going to work due to the interplay between Sith/Jedi powers and the Talosion telepathy, not to mention the completely unknown range constraints.

Wasn't there something in the EU about the effects of telepaths trying their stuff on Dark Siders (or more specifically, the Sith)?

[tharkûn]

Sea Skimmer:
Given the Emperors ability to raise the moral of and coordinate the actions of trillions of Imperial personal, I doubt any of the telepathic powers in Trek would stand a chance of getting control of anything.

The emperor doesn't do jack on a trillion anything basis, the human brain just doesn't have the data storage (just *counting* the integers from 1 to 1 trillion is beyond human ability). What he does, like any other military leader in the world, is deal with groups. He may or may not notice that they are being dicked with, remember for the poor SOB's minds they are proceeding exactly as planned. If the telepaths have their pawns turn off all the transponders (or whatever) then he has no hard data to locate them before they strike.

Of course this means nothing if the Sith can lay the mental whoopass on the Talosians, but I can't think of anyone else.

[Darth Wong]

The emperor doesn't do jack on a trillion anything basis, the human brain just doesn't have the data storage (just *counting* the integers from 1 to 1 trillion is beyond human ability). What he does, like any other military leader in the world, is deal with groups. He may or may not notice that they are being dicked with, remember for the poor SOB's minds they are proceeding exactly as planned. If the telepaths have their pawns turn off all the transponders (or whatever) then he has no hard data to locate them before they strike.

Self-refuting argument. By your own logic, the few remaining Talosians (remember that this is a sterile, dying race) cannot possibly mind-control a large Imperial fleet, with its millions of crew. Even if you can control the relatively small bridge crews to stymie the first attack and make them go away, the second fleet would simply be sent with standing orders for the local gunnery stations to open fire independently. They can't control everyone simultaneously.

They have a much more difficult job than the Emperor. He need only maintain order and keep his followers' minds clear. The Talosians need to construct detailed, thorough, and believable illusions. One misstep, and a 200GT turbolaser blast is headed their way and they're history. And as I said, none of this would work twice anyway.

[Sea Skimmer]

Sea Skimmer:
Given the Emperors ability to raise the moral of and coordinate the actions of trillions of Imperial personal, I doubt any of the telepathic powers in Trek would stand a chance of getting control of anything.

The emperor doesn't do jack on a trillion anything basis, the human brain just doesn't have the data storage (just *counting* the integers from 1 to 1 trillion is beyond human ability). What he does, like any other military leader in the world, is deal with groups. He may or may not notice that they are being dicked with, remember for the poor SOB's minds they are proceeding exactly as planned. If the telepaths have their pawns turn off all the transponders (or whatever) then he has no hard data to locate them before they strike.

Of course this means nothing if the Sith can lay the mental whoopass on the Talosians, but I can't think of anyone else.

The Thawn trilogy contradicts what you say. The Emperor was using the force to boost the combat effectiveness in various ways of crews and armies f the whole Empire.

[Darth Wong]

Oh, I almost forgot one more option: droid-controlled ships. Droids are immune to Talosian telepathy.

[Stormbringer]

Oh, I almost forgot one more option: droid-controlled ships. Droids are immune to Talosian telepathy.

Not to mention your average battle droid is a better tactican and fighter than most of the Star Trek powers.

[tharkûn]

Mike:
Granted. I said I didn't think it would work, and you are correct, if nothing else droid ships kill them.

Sea Skimmer:
The Thawn trilogy contradicts what you say. The Emperor was using the force to boost the combat effectiveness in various ways of crews and armies f the whole Empire.
Yes that does not mean he does it person by person. He may very well simply send out a telepathic signal that anyone programmed to receive will get a boost from. The human brain cannot deal with a trillion anything. The brain cells just aren't there. If you doubt me, just *count* from 1 to 1 trillion sometime, saying each integer as you go.

[SPOOFE]

The human brain cannot deal with a trillion anything.

Irrelevant. The Force, for all intents and purposes, is a mystical phenomenon. Obviously it transcends what we currently know about the human brain. It's quite explicitly stated what the Emperor did... how he did it is completely irrelevant.