"vs" discussions in this forum

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-07-07 10:12pm

Since a number of people have asked, "vs" discussions are OK in this forum, unless they are specifically "Star Wars vs Star Trek", in which case they should obviously go to the forum dedicated for that purpose. If you want to do Starship Troopers against Federation redshirts, that's fine here. Go ahead and have fun with it

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2002-07-08 10:20am

Ah, more comedy afoot here.

Can anyone seriously debate with the movie MI from SST against Red Shirts? I mean, the whole idea is laughable and paradoxical I thinkl.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-07-08 01:59pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:Ah, more comedy afoot here.

Can anyone seriously debate with the movie MI from SST against Red Shirts? I mean, the whole idea is laughable and paradoxical I thinkl.

If it's the Movie MI, the Redshirts all crouch behind rocks and squeeze off shots. The MI rush them, heedless of losses, and are able to get within the 20 foot maximum range of their stupid Morita rifles. Then they engage in incredibly stupid slow-mo hand to hand combat, and nobody wins.

If it's the book MI, they kill tens of thousands of Red Shits--oops, Shirts--without losses.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2002-07-08 06:30pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:Ah, more comedy afoot here.

Can anyone seriously debate with the movie MI from SST against Red Shirts? I mean, the whole idea is laughable and paradoxical I thinkl.
If it's the Movie MI, the Redshirts all crouch behind rocks and squeeze off shots. The MI rush them, heedless of losses, and are able to get within the 20 foot maximum range of their stupid Morita rifles. Then they engage in incredibly stupid slow-mo hand to hand combat, and nobody wins.

If it's the book MI, they kill tens of thousands of Red Shits--oops, Shirts--without losses.

I concur.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-08 07:13pm

The battle never happens. All MI are murdered by starships. I mean, Starfleet ships may not be the best in the universe, but they don't die from bug farts.

Sadly, before the red shirts can celebrate their non-battle victory, a huge asteroid smashs them.

Isil`Zha · Post by **Isil`Zha** » 2002-07-09 05:13am

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:The battle never happens. All MI are murdered by starships. I mean, Starfleet ships may not be the best in the universe, but they don't die from bug farts.

Sadly, before the red shirts can celebrate their non-battle victory, a huge asteroid smashs them.

What's so sad about that?

It's expected.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-09 01:29pm

Isil`Zha wrote:
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:The battle never happens. All MI are murdered by starships. I mean, Starfleet ships may not be the best in the universe, but they don't die from bug farts.

Sadly, before the red shirts can celebrate their non-battle victory, a huge asteroid smashs them.
What's so sad about that?

It's expected.

Good point.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-11 12:04pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:Ah, more comedy afoot here.

Can anyone seriously debate with the movie MI from SST against Red Shirts? I mean, the whole idea is laughable and paradoxical I thinkl.
If it's the Movie MI, the Redshirts all crouch behind rocks and squeeze off shots. The MI rush them, heedless of losses, and are able to get within the 20 foot maximum range of their stupid Morita rifles. Then they engage in incredibly stupid slow-mo hand to hand combat, and nobody wins.

If it's the book MI, they kill tens of thousands of Red Shits--oops, Shirts--without losses.

Actually, that be yellow shirts. Red shirts would wipe them out with SUPER PHASERS, but then SOMETHING kills em

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-11 01:22pm

Kirk: Mr.Spock prepare to attack that planet.

Mr.Spock: But sir! Sending troops down there would be suicide! They would be torn to shreds.

Kirk: Just send down a few hundred red shirts, they have to run out of ammunition some time.

Mr.Spock: But sir we could just attack them from orbit........

Kirk: I said send down the FUCKING red shirts! One more word and you'll be cleaning out the tribble cages the rest of the mission.

Mr.Spock: Yes sir. All sacrific... er um, I mean security forcs report to the transporters.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-07-11 07:42pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:If it's the Movie MI, the Redshirts all crouch behind rocks and squeeze off shots. The MI rush them, heedless of losses, and are able to get within the 20 foot maximum range of their stupid Morita rifles. Then they engage in incredibly stupid slow-mo hand to hand combat, and nobody wins.

If it's the book MI, they kill tens of thousands of Red Shits--oops, Shirts--without losses.

I dunno; the movie MI were morons, but they still sucked less than redshirts IMHO. I figure they would fire thousands of rounds of ammo at the rocks behind which the redshirts are hiding, because that's what they do: fire thousands of rounds of ammo.

This would normally be useless. But unfortunately for the redshirts, they're too stupid to keep their heads down or wear helmets in combat, so they keep popping up to squeeze off shots, and they eventually all get killed by the hail of random gunfire.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-11 07:46pm

Thats what happens when you take the boot camp out of the Services and through everyone into the Acadamy...

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-07-12 07:05pm

I wonder if the opinions would change if say we gave each side a major character?

Redshirts get Sisko and movie MI get Rico.

Any takers?

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2002-07-18 01:40pm

http://www.sff.net/people/doylemacdonald/r_startro.htm

Red Mike's Reviews: Starship Troopers!

The lieutenant is dead, so Johnny is the new lieutenant. "I only have one rule!" he tells the replacements. "Everyone fights! No one quits!" This is okay, because back in the first reel we'd discovered that Johnny's final reportcard math score was only 35%. If I'd been taking command, my remark would have been "I only have one rule! Don't bunch up!" Then I would have taken some time to let them know about scouts, skirmishers, covering fire, and similar good stuff. I'd also try to mention that the cluster[verybadword] is a formation that we will never use again, regardless of what the entire rest of the infantry is up to.

Hehehehehee...

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2002-07-19 01:06am

LOL, that review is SO true.....I read the book, twice now, and when I saw the movie I was gaping and thinking "what the hell is this, nice effects but the only similarity to the book were the names of the characters!"
Oh well....

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2002-07-19 07:11am

What about giant monsters from the universes of Godzilla and Gamera, respectively?? Such as Gamera vs. Godzilla, or Gyaos vs. Mothra???r

BTW, I am planning to do a "Kahless vs. Palpatine" poll in the ST vs. SW forum soon...

starfury · Post by **starfury** » 2002-07-19 04:09pm

the quote you had on the red-shirts sent to be masscaured was really funny david

[Kirk: Mr.Spock prepare to attack that planet.

Mr.Spock: But sir! Sending troops down there would be suicide! They would be torn to shreds.

Kirk: Just send down a few hundred red shirts, they have to run out of ammunition some time.

Mr.Spock: But sir we could just attack them from orbit........

Kirk: I said send down the FUCKING red shirts! One more word and you'll be cleaning out the tribble cages the rest of the mission.

Mr.Spock: Yes sir. All sacrific... er um, I mean security forcs report to the
transporters.]

HAHAHAHAHAHa[/quote]

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-19 05:57pm

SF has more red shirts than most planets have bullets.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-07-20 07:43pm

Hasn't Gamera already beaten Godzilla? I vaguely remember a movie about that.

Master of Ossus: That's not surprising, since ST doesn't use bullets. Not technobabbly enough.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2002-07-21 04:25am

Darth Yoshi wrote:Hasn't Gamera already beaten Godzilla? I vaguely remember a movie about that.

Don't you mean "The Slammie Bros. vs. Godzilla and Gamera"???

That was intended to be a comedy.

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-21 11:24pm

I'll fit that little part into my Adventures of Red Shirts in Training thread